Monday, March 05, 2007

The Kevin Smith NY Comic Con Footage

Thanks to a number of readers who submitted this over the past week. Sorry for the delay in getting it up. Here's the clip of Smith talking about Singerman at the N.Y. Comic Con a couple weekends ago. Instead of getting the details second hand, it's always more interesting to hear them directly from the source. Note how the audience is just eating up every bit of it. Guess that's what happens when you get a room full of people who understand the character of Superman. Why couldn't Warner Brothers do that?

93 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow the guy who made MALLRATS did not like SR, now that is something. What's next the director of GIGLI says he could have made a better film if he got the job.

Anonymous said...

Kevin smith's fat and eats twinkies.

ha ha. I sure told him didn't I.

Anonymous said...

I hate to burst your bubble SSS but saying that all the comic con fans were in agreement with him because they know Superman is dumb. Singer made an appearance at comic-con in the middle of SR run and there were tons of Superman fans there gushing at him over the film he made.

Anonymous said...

Anyone seen raimi's spidey footage yet? http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31776

FUCK IT WB, JUST GIVE THIS MAN SUPERMAN, PLEASE! That one clip was better than everything in returns.

Anonymous said...

Yawn, I hate returns and stuff but please don't suggest WB give that hack raimi, the superman franchise. He has his head even further up Donner's ass than Singer does...

And I wish I could get through that clip but I fell asleep during the boring as hell lifetime family chat scene in the beginning. Way to sell a movie... bore the piss out of your audience. just like stalkerman... Oh I love that word stalkerman btw. It's Genius.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Wow the guy who made MALLRATS did not like SR, now that is something. What's next the director of GIGLI says he could have made a better film if he got the job."

Yes, someone who has done JACK SHIT in the entertainment business can "Defend" this turd BS "created", but someone who has made SEVERAL FILMS can't critique it? You really are a lame-brained moron, aren't you?

I would rather have seen Jason Mewes play Superman, than BS' "vision".....

swright said...

Hate to break this to you SSS, but even people who liked the film would laugh at the points he makes. It has nothing to do with the audience understanding the character. Oh and his biggest beef? Wasn't even Singers fault. It was about the kiss in Superman 2 which then would make it rape. Last I checked Singer didn't write Superman 2.

And to my fellow apologists on here, say what you want about KS's movies...He's knows what he is talking about when it comes to comic books. He probably knows more than the people posting on this blog.

swright said...

" please don't suggest WB give that hack raimi, the superman franchise. He has his head even further up Donner's ass than Singer does..."

This is soo true...I like the Spiderman movies a lot, but they borrow their entire structure from Superman 1 and 2. They are talking about Raimi doing the hobbit and I want him no where near Middle Earth.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Oh and his biggest beef? Wasn't even Singers fault. It was about the kiss in Superman 2 which then would make it rape. Last I checked Singer didn't write Superman 2."

But he DID choose to "kind of, sort of" follow Superman II. So in essence, it IS his fault. No one made him do it, he was too unoriginal to do his own thing.

Anonymous said...

Regardless Spiderman 3 will suck hard. The special effects can't touch superman returns and the crappy Aunt May its like just die already. Superman Returns still rules!

With a sequel in 2009 even AP and the idiot who can't post his name will be in each others arms crying!

REstart

Anonymous said...

Regardless when i am with bryan i will suck hard. The other ladyboys can't touch him and the crappy icky girls i want them to just die already. being stupid still rules!

With no sequel in 2009 even my dad and my idiot mom who died being embarassed by me will be in each others arms crying!

REtard

Anonymous said...

Wow the guy who made MALLRATS did not like SR, now that is something. What's next the director of GIGLI says he could have made a better film if he got the job.

yeah Kevin Smith only ever did MALLRATS, you fool. It's not like he was a writer for DC COMICS at all or anything. WTF would he know?

voice_of_reason said...

I hate to burst your bubble SSS but saying that all the comic con fans were in agreement with him because they know

SSS didnt say anything even close to that. Reread the posting. He said "notice how the audience is eating it up" which they were judging by the roaring laughter when Singer called the film boring, lacked action ,etc.

swright said...

But he DID choose to "kind of, sort of" follow Superman II. So in essence, it IS his fault. No one made him do it, he was too unoriginal to do his own thing.


You are right in a way, but his main complaint was "When did you rape me?" that would be a direct result from Superman 2. Singer didn't do himself any favors by giving Superman a kid. I like the movie a lot, but even I am not thrilled with this. It's a complication and a fanbase splitting story element that he didn't need to put in the movie.

Joel1245 said...

Hate to say it, but I think Kevin Smith is right about the kiss dilemma.

I think Singer would have done better just to say that it wasn't a quasi-sequel to Superman II or something.

Anonymous said...

"yeah Kevin Smith only ever did MALLRATS, you fool. It's not like he was a writer for DC COMICS at all or anything. WTF would he know?"

WTF would he know, what has he done in the genre film wise. He has a rejected Superman script to show for himself. He trashes Burton all the time and he has made dozens of hits. KS knowing about comic books and writing a few of them does not mean he knows how to make a great superhero movie. If this guy actually did that then his words would carry more weight. Sam Raimi has a ton of credibility to say something like this. He has class though, something Smith knows nothing about. You don't hear big time directors in the Hollywood calling people out and trashing others work. Smith is a hack who will never be put in charge of something like Superman, so he feels free to just trash people's work like this.

swright said...

"You don't hear big time directors in the Hollywood calling people out and trashing others work. Smith is a hack who will never be put in charge of something like Superman, so he feels free to just trash people's work like this. "

Actually you are wrong...He was going to do a Green Lantern film, but decided not to because it's not the kind of movie he's comfortable making. So he would be put in charge if he truly wanted to do it.

KS freely admits that the big epic movies aren't his thing..All he wants to do is make personal films that his fans will like and make a profit. Everyone of his films has made a profit for the studio (even Jersey Girl, although not much)

Clerks 2 was made for 5 million and made over 20 in it's domestic run. And their marketing budget was very small..So let's say he would have to make 12 million to cover all expenses and theatre cuts (double the budget and 2.5 more marketing wich is probably higher than the actual number) that means that Clerks 2 made the studio 8 million dollars before foreign sales (admittedly I don't know how it did over seas) and DVD sales which were very good, like all his movies.

Anonymous said...

"Clerks 2 was made for 5 million and made over 20 in it's domestic run. And their marketing budget was very small..So let's say he would have to make 12 million to cover all expenses and theatre cuts (double the budget and 2.5 more marketing wich is probably higher than the actual number) that means that Clerks 2 made the studio 8 million dollars before foreign sales (admittedly I don't know how it did over seas) and DVD sales which were very good, like all his movies."

Clerks 2 that is your example of success. 10 people in America see KS movies when they come out. Don't you see how foolish he looks making fun of a guy like Burton who has made tons of films that have easily grossed over 100 mil at the BO. That is why Burton came out and fired back against Smith years ago. His attitude was i am Tim Burton you are a fucking nobody. You look awfully petty when you say i just want to make personal movies and have no interest in this big epic films. Then turn around and rip the shit out of people that have the talent and guts to actually make them.

Anonymous said...

WTF would he know, what has he done in the genre film wise. He has a rejected Superman script to show for himself. He trashes Burton all the time and he has made dozens of hits. KS knowing about comic books and writing a few of them does not mean he knows how to make a great superhero movie. If this guy actually did that then his words would carry more weight.

It doesnt matter what Smith has done film wise. He wasnt critiquing the film from a directorial perspective, he was critiquing it as a story about Superman. Being that he was actually a writer for DC I'd say that makes qualified to comment on the character content of the film. Superman is Superman no matter what the medium he appears in. If you know these characters and have a love for them like Smith does to a level he actually wrote them than I'd say he's more than qualified to comment on what Superman does in a movie, regardless of what he'd one as a director.
Your logic is ridiculous, it's like you're saying you have to be able to direct a good Superman movie in order to be able to critique Singer's.
And it's funny, if some comic writer or artist came out saying that they liked SR, you Apologists would have a 100 page thread dedicated to how cool it is over on BlewTights.

Anonymous said...

Right but when Donner and Raimi come out and say they liked the film they are full of shit on the subject. Anyone of any merit in Hollywood that says they liked the film according to you guys is a liar. Guys like KS with far less credibility say they did not like it and that is truly meaningful. He has a right to voice his views on the film. I am just saying this guys history of ripping on other peoples work whom have accomplished far more in Hollywood than him makes him look petty and immature.

Anonymous said...

"I am just saying this guys history of ripping on other peoples work whom have accomplished far more in Hollywood than him makes him look petty and immature."

If Smith was not allowed to be immature he would have no career. His films are usually about people getting stoned watched by people who are stoners.

Anonymous said...

I dont know or care much about Raimi but Donner has a vested interest in saying good things about Singerman. Considering Bryan's good friend and producer on the X films was Lauren Shuler Donner, Richard's wife, and Singer's film was basically a love letter to him that enabled him to finally do his cut on Superman II. Dick Donner also regulalry works for WB so it's in his best interests not to say anything but positive things about it.

Anonymous said...

Yeah and Jay and Silent Bob now that is a quality film right there. Blows out of the water The Usual Suspects. Jersey Girl WOW that did wonders to revive Ben Affleck's career. You guys realize that Smith makes appearances all the time and always works the crowd by talking shit about people. It is who he is and what he does. If Smith spent as much time making movies as he does ripping other's film he might be as big as a Singer or a Burton.

swright said...

"He has a right to voice his views on the film. I am just saying this guys history of ripping on other peoples work whom have accomplished far more in Hollywood than him makes him look petty and immature. "

Considering he rips into his own films and his own talent just as much as he does directors films that he doesn't like, I don't see the problem. Remember, I'm an apologist and I don't see what the big deal is with Smith not liking the film.

Anonymous said...

"Remember, I'm an apologist and I don't see what the big deal is with Smith not liking the film."

In and of itself it is not a big deal. However when people want to give his take all sorts of legitimicy. They can't then conversely say other big time people in Hollywood liking the film are not credible. I have seen that too many times on this blog, it goes both ways guys.

Anonymous said...

WHY ARE YOU IDIOTS SURPRISED KEVIN SMITH DOESN'T LIKE THE SUPER BOY PLOT?

NOBODY DOES!

at least nobody with a brain anyway.

Anonymous said...

KS is still bitter that Tim Burton thinks he is a loser and tossed his Superman script aside like it was trash.

Anonymous said...

So he's shitting on Singer's film because he's angry at burton. Stay in school, kid.

Anonymous said...

"So he's shitting on Singer's film because he's angry at burton. Stay in school, kid."

He is shitting on Singer's film due in part to the fact that he never got his shot to make Superman. Burton thought his script was shit and told him to take a hike. He has been bitter about it ever since.

voice_of_reason said...

^ Smith was never going to make Superman, he was going to do a script for it that Burton was going to direct.
Why are the apologists taking Tim Burton's side in all of this?? Have you forgotten what he was going to do to Superman?
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/images/2006/06/tim-burton-superman.jpg

Christ, you apologist will take any position, no matter how ridiculous, in order to defend Singer's crap.

voice_of_reason said...

^here is the whole link

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/images/2006/06/
tim-burton-superman.jpg

Anonymous said...

"Smith was never going to make Superman, he was going to do a script for it that Burton was going to direct.
Why are the apologists taking Tim Burton's side in all of this?? Have you forgotten what he was going to do to Superman?"

It just putting things in perpective is all. Smith has a grudge against Burton because he tossed his script for Superman aside years ago and Smith has talked bad about him ever since. Burton is a far better director than Smith comparing their careers is laughable. Now KS is talking shit about SR. Well gee i am supposed to believe that he is still not bitter about what happened to him and that had no bearing on his comments. If anyone who likes SR is in Singers back pocket according to you guys, then why the hell should we take Smith at his word, with no agenda behind it?

Anonymous said...

Looks like Spiderman 3 has something Singer overlooked.....action a plenty!

"Superman Returns" get ready for another kicking come May 4th, when Warners soon after announce the they intend taking the Superman franchise "in a new direction"

Anonymous said...

KS may very well have a grudge, but I can't disagree with a thing he says there about Returns. All very valid points that have been echoed elsewhere.

The momentum to remove Singer continues unabated

Anonymous said...

"The momentum to remove Singer continues unabated"

It is funny you guys really seem to think this. You just love to spin everything about Singer. Did SR disappoint financially yes it did. However at the end of the day it got good reviews and made more money WW than Batman Begins. Why would you think that is not enough to bring Singer back for one more Superman movie? Because of what SR cost to make. Any other director will have to deal with the same budget Singer is going to deal with in the sequel. It will have to be made for less money. They are not going to hand a different director a ton of more money than Singer just because he is not Singer.

voice_of_reason said...

. If anyone who likes SR is in Singers back pocket according to you guys, then why the hell should we take Smith at his word, with no agenda behind it?

because Smith's issues are with Tim Burton, not the character of Superman. Burton's Superman Lives had next to nothing to do with the film that Singer wound up making. They scrapped Burton's whole idea and went through 4 other directors before Singer.

voice_of_reason said...

Any other director will have to deal with the same budget Singer is going to deal with in the sequel. It will have to be made for less money. They are not going to hand a different director a ton of more money than Singer just because he is not Singer.

No one said the sequel would be bad because Singer has less of a budget. We're saying the sequel will be bad because Singer had a crap load more money to put out a Superman film and completely blew it, so he sure as heck wont be able to atone for it with less of a budget. You're right, another director would have the same budget to deal with. However many directors have done much more than Singer did with far less cash at their disposable. Most of the competent ones tend not to spend $10 million on scenes that get cut because their deemed unnecessary for the film. A decent director spends that money wisely, and makes sure the vast majority of it is worthy of showing up in the final product.

Anonymous said...

"because Smith's issues are with Tim Burton, not the character of Superman. Burton's Superman Lives had next to nothing to do with the film that Singer wound up making. They scrapped Burton's whole idea and went through 4 other directors before Singer."

I understand all that but you guys can't say that Smith is totally credible in his views on the film and then tell me when Donner and Raimi say they liked the film they are full of shit. Smith was tossed aside like trash by Burton and WB. It is very easy to assume he is still harboring a deep hatred about all of it and was going to despise any version of Superman that he was not involved in.

Anonymous said...

remember the part when a little toy plane moves across the screen and then Kumar pops up?

THAT'S WHY THIS SHIT WAS BORING

ApologistPuncher said...

"I understand all that but you guys can't say that Smith is totally credible in his views on the film and then tell me when Donner and Raimi say they liked the film they are full of shit. Smith was tossed aside like trash by Burton and WB. It is very easy to assume he is still harboring a deep hatred about all of it and was going to despise any version of Superman that he was not involved in."

Is it hard, waging a one-boy war OF stupidity? Who are YOU to throw mud on HIS accomplishments, when YOU have done jack-shit? Maybe you're some weasely film-school reject who is jealous of his success?

I think it's safe to "assume" that based on NOTHING. Right?

voice_of_reason said...

I understand all that but you guys can't say that Smith is totally credible in his views on the film and then tell me when Donner and Raimi say they liked the film they are full of shit.

Sure we can. Smith wrote for DC comics and was one of their better writers for a while he gets the characters. He has no vested interest in the film other than that of a fan, so why shouldnt his opinion be credible? Whereas Donner has a million reasons to nod his head in agreement with what ever Singer does. How many time must we list out them out?

Smith was tossed aside like trash by Burton and WB. It is very easy to assume he is still harboring a deep hatred about all of it and was going to despise any version of Superman that he was not involved in.

Smith wasnt "tossed aside like trash." Way to embelish that. He's said numerous times he was paid for what he did so I'm not sure how that makes him "trash?" So your BIG assumption about him "harboring hatred" is a way off base, and is only assumed by you so as to somehow make it easier in your head to discredit anything the man says.

swright said...

Smith wrote for DC comics and was one of their better writers for a while he gets the characters.


Well Donner has written for the comic's now too.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Well Donner has written for the comic's now too."

And what did he do? He brought in a KID. Yeah, no reason to LIE about Singerman Peeps is there?

Anonymous said...

"Sure we can. Smith wrote for DC comics and was one of their better writers for a while he gets the characters. He has no vested interest in the film other than that of a fan, so why shouldnt his opinion be credible?"

LOL hey buddy do you realize that people from DC at one time approved Muhammad Ali and Dustin Hoffman to play Superman when the Salkinds were just getting it together. I'd say they understood the character and those were their choices for Superman. Reading comics and yes even writing them does not mean you have what it takes to make a great comic book film. Bryan Singer has proven that he can do this, so has Burton Smith has not. I agree with the poster about Smith he never shuts the fuck up about other peoples work which makes him come off as less credible. I am sure when this came out most people in Hollywood just said, hey look Kevin Smith is shooting his dumb mouth off again, what else is new.

Anonymous said...

"Smith wasnt "tossed aside like trash." Way to embelish that. He's said numerous times he was paid for what he did so I'm not sure how that makes him "trash?" So your BIG assumption about him "harboring hatred" is a way off base, and is only assumed by you so as to somehow make it easier in your head to discredit anything the man says."

Of course he is bitter the guy admits that when fans ask him to sign copies of his Superman script he signs his name and then always puts FUCK TIM BURTON, right next to it. Does that sound to you like the actions of a man not bitter about being dismissed from project?

ApologistPuncher said...

"LOL hey buddy do you realize that people from DC at one time approved Muhammad Ali and Dustin Hoffman to play Superman when the Salkinds were just getting it together. I'd say they understood the character and those were their choices for Superman. Reading comics and yes even writing them does not mean you have what it takes to make a great comic book film. Bryan Singer has proven that he can do this, so has Burton Smith has not. I agree with the poster about Smith he never shuts the fuck up about other peoples work which makes him come off as less credible. I am sure when this came out most people in Hollywood just said, hey look Kevin Smith is shooting his dumb mouth off again, what else is new."

Says the "Apologist" fuckhead bitching about SMITH'S work. Don't you see how fucking stupid you are?

And BS did what exactly, besides show he can turn an almost unlimited budget into a mediocre BO return?

Go fuck yourself, junior.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Of course he is bitter the guy admits that when fans ask him to sign copies of his Superman script he signs his name and then always puts FUCK TIM BURTON, right next to it. Does that sound to you like the actions of a man not bitter about being dismissed from project?"

Hey asshair, does that helmet hurt after awhile?

I'll address this to those of us with brain-cells: KS is "bitter" against TIM BURTON. Not SUPERMAN, TIM BURTON. Because TIM BURTON thought HE was more important than the CHARACTER.

Why isn't this mental-midget sucking off his fellow "Apologists" on SpewTights?

Anonymous said...

"And BS did what exactly, besides show he can turn an almost unlimited budget into a mediocre BO return?"

What did you just wake up asshole? Singer did X-Men and X2 both very successful and X2 is considered to be one of the best superhero movies ever. Not too mention The Usual Suspects a film that is considered widely to be one of the best independant films off all time. For all your whining about SR it got good reviews, made more money than Batman Begins and is getting a sequel. You never offer up any valid points just childish insults but please feel free to attempt to offer up something valid this time.

Anonymous said...

the defensivness of the apologists this time shows us that smith struck quite a big nerve.

This is of course indicative of their insecurity... or in other words their shallow 'fandom' of the pretty cgi images in superman returns, while knowing 0 about who the character actually is.

They are fake fans, desperately clingling to their pre-release hype, trying to block out the truth, and live in a delusional world where singer actually didn't have superman stalk lois and her family, or have lex try to sell a continent of kryptonite rock.

Let them roll in their fantasy, true superman fans. Our film will come. Just as batman began, so shall superman some day.

Anonymous said...

"Let them roll in their fantasy, true superman fans. Our film will come. Just as batman began, so shall superman some day."

You know what i find funny is all the internet love BB gets yet it made less at the BO than all these other comic book movies you guys claim it was so superior too.

Anonymous said...

SUPERMAN RETURNS is better than BATMAN BEGINS in every way!

-Jerry the Apologist

swright said...

"They are fake fans, desperately clingling to their pre-release hype, trying to block out the truth, and live in a delusional world where singer actually didn't have superman stalk lois and her family, or have lex try to sell a continent of kryptonite rock. "

Do me a favor, Don't presume to call me a fake fan...I've been a Superman fan my whole life. It was the only comic I read. I didn't read it religously, but I would read them. I watch everything having to do with the man of steel. I'm an apologist, because even though I didn't like the spying, and I'm still not sure how I feel about the kid (but he has had a kid in the comics with Lex so to speak) but I'm not so stuck on any one version to hate this film. I enjoyed it..It could have been a lot better, yes...But I still enjoyed it.

I winced just like you guys did when he xrayed Lois's house, but I just decided not to let it ruin the film.

Hate or love it, I don't care, just don't call me a fake fan. If I was a fake fan, I sure as hell wouldn't put up with the abuse that we get on this blog. I don't defend the movie because I love Bryan Singer, I defend it because I happened to like the film. Now I will admit that I'm very easy to please, but I'm not about to let the fact that this Superman isn't like the Silver Age or Golden Age Superman run my life.

ApologistPuncher said...

"What did you just wake up asshole? Singer did X-Men and X2 both very successful and X2 is considered to be one of the best superhero movies ever. Not too mention The Usual Suspects a film that is considered widely to be one of the best independant films off all time. For all your whining about SR it got good reviews, made more money than Batman Begins and is getting a sequel. You never offer up any valid points just childish insults but please feel free to attempt to offer up something valid this time."

Yeah, you fucking gimp, is this site "Singer's X-Men sucks"? No, you shithead it's about SINGERMAN. What was my point referencing? SINGERMAN. Your so stupid you make MY brain hurt.

Go fuck yourself, you brain dead piece of monkey shit.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Do me a favor, Don't presume to call me a fake fan..."

If you "settle" for a turd like Singerman Peeps, a Superman fan you are NOT.

A REAL fan would want the BEST, not: "well, that sucked, and that was wrong, and that was bad, but it has something resembling a Superman shield so it's A-OK with me!".

ApologistPuncher said...

"You know what i find funny is all the internet love BB gets yet it made less at the BO than all these other comic book movies you guys claim it was so superior too."

And "Apologist" ball-lickers ALWAYS tout the reviews are more important than the BO, so which is it, fuckface?

And BB made MORE domestic, and THAT is what is important.

swright said...

"If you "settle" for a turd like Singerman Peeps, a Superman fan you are NOT."

I'm not settling for Superman Returns..I liked the movie, it's not the film I would have made, but it was hardly a horrible film. There are things that happened in this film that I want them to address. I don't care if it's Singer or not on the sequel either. But I'm willing to see if Singer can fix what he fucked up.

voice_of_reason said...

the defensiveness of the apologists this time shows us that smith struck quite a big nerve.

This is of course indicative of their insecurity... or in other words their shallow 'fandom' of the pretty cgi images in superman returns, while knowing 0 about who the character actually is.

They are fake fans, desperately clingling to their pre-release hype, trying to block out the truth, and live in a delusional world where singer actually didn't have superman stalk lois and her family, or have lex try to sell a continent of kryptonite rock.

Let them roll in their fantasy, true superman fans. Our film will come. Just as batman began, so shall superman some day.


A-FUCKING-MEN!

voice_of_reason said...

LOL hey buddy do you realize that people from DC at one time approved Muhammad Ali and Dustin Hoffman to play Superman when the Salkinds were just getting it together. I'd say they understood the character and those were their choices for Superman. Reading comics and yes even writing them does not mean you have what it takes to make a great comic book film.

who said anything about Smith's ability to make a good comic book film? No one is debating that or valuing Smith's opinion as a filmmaker. His opinion has credibility due to his stellar work on the comics.
Amd check your facts, DC Comics wasnt approving anyone to play Superman in the 1970's. It was the casting company that the people previous to the Salkinds brought in.

Anonymous said...

"DC Comics wasnt approving anyone to play Superman in the 1970's. It was the casting company that the people previous to the Salkinds brought in."

No according to one of the many documentaries in the Ultimate Collection DC provided a list of people that could play Superman and those were two of the names they came up with. As crazy as it sounds they seemed to think Dustin Hoffman could play Superman.

"And BB made MORE domestic, and THAT is what is important."

Really who the hell made you the authority on what BO counts and what doesn't. If SR making 20 mil more WW than BB means nothing than i doubt WB would be going ahead with the sequel.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, you fucking gimp, is this site "Singer's X-Men sucks"? No, you shithead it's about SINGERMAN. What was my point referencing? SINGERMAN. Your so stupid you make MY brain hurt.

Go fuck yourself, you brain dead piece of monkey shit."

You don't even know what you wrote AP.

This is what you said.

"And BS did what exactly, besides show he can turn an almost unlimited budget into a mediocre BO return?"

You asked what else he has done other than SR and i explained it you any other questions dingleberry?

ApologistPuncher said...

"You asked what else he has done other than SR and i explained it you any other questions dingleberry?"

Yes: How does it feel being so stupid?

That was what is called a "rhetorical question", idiot. And even then, the X-Men movies were no Pirates of the Caribbean 2 EITHER. Just because they were "moderately" successful, does not mean BS is now Spielberg.

Spielberg has talent.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Really who the hell made you the authority on what BO counts and what doesn't. If SR making 20 mil more WW than BB means nothing than i doubt WB would be going ahead with the sequel."

The same people who made you "Apologist" fucks the "authority" on reviews being more important than the BO. You hypocritical jackasses are fucking retarded.

And who said they were "going ahead with a sequel"? Has it been greenlit? Or, like with Joss Whedon, are they playing the "waiting game" until something better comes along?

Oh, but since you pansies don't WANT to believe that's possible, it isn't. Right?

Anonymous said...

OK Denialist who jerk off over the comics. What if S. Rami made spiderman from the marvel Civil War title? I bet you would cry "Thats not in the comics!!!" Hey boneheads did you know Superman was once married to a mermaid.....let that sink in....a mermaid. So your precious comics are just as flawed as everything else.

Go Singer in 2009!

Restart

Hey AP dont you have a life I at least take a few days off!

Anonymous said...

OK Realist who jerk off over icky girls. What if S. Rami made me HIS favorite ladyboy? I bet you would cry "Thats REtard is an asshole!!!" Hey cute boys did you know Superman was once married to a mermaid.....let me suck you off....please. So bryans loose browneye is just as flawed as everything else.

I do Singer in 2009!

Retard

Hey AP I dont have a life! everyday I at least suck a few gays off!

Anonymous said...

Um...okay guys - what were we talking about again?

ApologistPuncher said...

How much Singerman Peeps sucks. In the end, that is ALL we talk about here. Even when punching "Apologists" in their retarded mouths.

Anonymous said...

"How much Singerman Peeps sucks. In the end, that is ALL we talk about here. Even when punching "Apologists" in their retarded mouths."

Hey AP how are those Ghost Rider predictions of yours coming along? 150 mil domestic huh yeah it is right on track for those numbers asswipe. It is awfully pathetic how much you post here. If there are 80 posts you are responsible for half of them. Stop jerking off to comics so much and find a girlfriend.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Hey AP how are those Ghost Rider predictions of yours coming along? 150 mil domestic huh yeah it is right on track for those numbers asswipe. It is awfully pathetic how much you post here. If there are 80 posts you are responsible for half of them. Stop jerking off to comics so much and find a girlfriend."

I did. Your mom is going to tell you to call me "Daddy" from now on, shit-stain. And don't call your mom's FACE "comics" anymore. It's not THAT ugly.

Isn't it funny how some fucking lame-brain "Apologist" spits out insults, then whines like a fucking pussy when he is shit on all over by me?

Go fuck yourself, junior. No one else ever will.

ApologistPuncher said...

Oh, I get it now. Pretty fucking weak attempt to be 2 "people", you "ladyboy" bitch.

First, the ball-licker posts this:

"OK Denialist who jerk off over the comics."

Then this:

"Hey AP dont you have a life I at least take a few days off!"

ALL under his "REtard" monicker.

THEN, he comes back with this:

"It is awfully pathetic how much you post here. If there are 80 posts you are responsible for half of them."

And:

"Stop jerking off to comics so much and find a girlfriend."

Under "anonymous". Jesus, you warped-brain asshole, try not to be so OBVIOUS in your patheticness.

Go fuck yourself, junior.

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Anonymous said...

You notice when SSS, i mean Apologist Puncher is not acting like a 4 year old this Blog is awful quiet.

Anonymous said...

If SSS is not AP then there is no doubt they suck eachother's cocks every day before posting here.

Anonymous said...

"You notice when SSS, i mean Apologist Puncher is not acting like a 4 year old this Blog is awful quiet"

Hardly, there's always ReTarD who's good for a laugh with his ridiculous postings

Anonymous said...

Hey AP you dumbass. I always use my post with

Restart

That way you stupid denialist can identify me.

Unlike you AP I have a life. I will see 300 tonight as you cry waiting for someone to post to this blog so you can talk to them.

So just so you understand i will yell I ONLY POST UNDER RESTART SINCE YOU MORONS COMPLAINED ABOUT IT 3 BLOGS AGO!

And I always have used this moniker(i know a big word look it up)

Man of steel in 2009!

REstart<-----see now post under Anonymous again since you are too afraid of you self proclaimed "lady boy" to post under your own call name.

Wow I must really scare you huh?

ApologistPuncher said...

Yeah, the fucking LIAR who claimed he would leave and NEVER come back is telling us we're supposed to take him by his "word"? Anyone else with a brain see the absurdity of the situation?

I have a NAME here, I don't make one up and put it on the bottom of my shit-filled posts. The PROOF I supplied shows you are a fucking liar and a BAD ONE at that. I knew once I posted that you would be here with your fucking bullshit again.

Go fuck BS, you ladyboy faggot.

ApologistPuncher said...

"If SSS is not AP then there is no doubt they suck eachother's cocks every day before posting here."

Freud would have a field day with you posting your "fantasies" online anonymously, closet-boy. Your parents HATE you already, what would it hurt to crack the door? Let your limp-wrist hang, youngster.

And soon, probably under another topic, these same "Apologist" pussies will be whining about the harsh, but well-deserved, shit kicked in their faces. I've said ti before and I KNOW I'll say it again: You have to be brain-dead to be an "Apologist".

Anonymous said...

"Freud would have a field day with you posting your "fantasies" online anonymously, closet-boy. Your parents HATE you already, what would it hurt to crack the door? Let your limp-wrist hang, youngster."

LOL this from the retard that is always talking about fucking peoples mothers. Since you are not currently having sex with my mother, you were saying what about fantasies dumbass?

ApologistPuncher said...

"LOL this from the retard that is always talking about fucking peoples mothers. Since you are not currently having sex with my mother, you were saying what about fantasies dumbass?"

I was saying how YOU, being a closeted homesexual, should stop casting YOUR fantasies on others. As a heterosexual male, fantasies between a man and woman are perfectly NORMAL, you ignorant asshole....

Here's my advice to you AGAIN, I suggest you take it:

"Your parents HATE you already, what would it hurt to crack the door? Let your limp-wrist hang, youngster."

Anonymous said...

"I was saying how YOU, being a closeted homesexual, should stop casting YOUR fantasies on others. As a heterosexual male, fantasies between a man and woman are perfectly NORMAL, you ignorant asshole...."

You are having fantasies about banging peoples mom's you inbred sack of dog shit. That is you answer to anyone who outdebates you. Oh yeah well i fucked your mom and your signature GO FUCK YOURSELF JUNIIOR, mighty clever. I know you are a faggot and ashamed of it. That is why you talk so much trash about Singer being GAY and mask it by talking about sex with people's mothers. I can set you up with a good therapist and you can get all these issues out in the open.

Go Singer in 2009!

Restart

Anonymous said...

What the fuck is wrong with you two anyway? Why do you guys come here just to taunt eachother like a bunch of juveniles?

Anonymous said...

Hey i did not post "go to singer in 2009"

I wont post here again without being registered. Just too many losers want to be just like me i guess.

man of steel in 2009!

restart (the absolute last time i post anonymous)

Anonymous said...

LONG

LIVE

THE

COMIC

SUPERMAN!!!

No matter what, they'll always be the wholy grail of Superman mythology. NOT The donner movies. No matter what this donner fanboy, Singer, thinks. I think he's a talented director, but he fucked up. Apologists, just get it through your thick skulls. He fucked up. There's no hidden brilliance to his film. He just fucked up. Re-doing STM and adding a kid is fucking up. Yes.

Anonymous said...

"Apologists, just get it through your thick skulls. He fucked up. There's no hidden brilliance to his film. He just fucked up. Re-doing STM and adding a kid is fucking up. Yes."

Why should they accept that he fucked up? They liked the film a lot of people liked it. I don't think there has ever been a film in history that has made 200 mil at the BO, received good reviews and been looked upon so harshly by the many in the public. Expectations for SR were just through the roof. Seems to me anything short of Spiderman numbers and people were going to complain. Spiderman BTW was a film that i read the studio was hoping would make about 150 mil. They never saw coming the massive smash Spiderman became. I personally think WB overestimated Superman's appeal. This is a genre that has flooded the film industry in recent years. Many of us see Superman as the best comic character of them all. However too the non-fans many see him as just another Superhero.

Anonymous said...

HOLY SHIT WHAT WAS I THINKING? THE CRITICS EXCEPT THE MOST WIDELY KNOWN AND RESPECTED ONE EBERT SAID IT WAS GOOD SO IT'S GOOD. THE MOVIE MADE IT TO 200 MIL SO IT'S GOOD. THE BLUETIGHTS SITE SAYS IT'S GOOD SO IT'S GOOD. PEOPLE JUST THINK SUPERMAN, MOST POPULAR SUPERHERO IN HISTORY, IS JUST ANOTHER SUPERHERO THESE DAYS, SO THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T MAKE BACK ITS BUDGET AND STRUGGLES TO MAKE A PROFIT. HOW COULD I BE SO WRONG. THANKS FOR SETTING ME RIGHT.

NOT.

I know what I think. There's no excuse in the world that'll work for trying to convince anyone here that remaking stm and adding superboy was the best way to bring back the man of steel in 2006. Good try. And keep trying. It's good for a laugh, you apologist.

ApologistPuncher said...

"You are having fantasies about banging peoples mom's you inbred sack of dog shit. That is you answer to anyone who outdebates you. Oh yeah well i fucked your mom and your signature GO FUCK YOURSELF JUNIIOR, mighty clever. I know you are a faggot and ashamed of it. That is why you talk so much trash about Singer being GAY and mask it by talking about sex with people's mothers. I can set you up with a good therapist and you can get all these issues out in the open.

Go Singer in 2009!

Restart"

The REALLY sad part of this kid's post is this: He COPIED ALL OF HIS INSULTS FROM MY POSTS. jesus, at least try to be original, you fucking ball-sack. Oh, and way to prove you are BOTH of those "people" AGAIN.

You really ARE fucking stupid, but you already knew that.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Why should they accept that he fucked up? They liked the film a lot of people liked it. I don't think there has ever been a film in history that has made 200 mil at the BO, received good reviews and been looked upon so harshly by the many in the public. Expectations for SR were just through the roof. Seems to me anything short of Spiderman numbers and people were going to complain. Spiderman BTW was a film that i read the studio was hoping would make about 150 mil. They never saw coming the massive smash Spiderman became. I personally think WB overestimated Superman's appeal. This is a genre that has flooded the film industry in recent years. Many of us see Superman as the best comic character of them all. However too the non-fans many see him as just another Superhero."

Here we go with the "lot of people" bullshit.

As an "Apologist", you have to forget the amount of weeks it took to get to $200 million, the extended $1 theater run, and the IMAX 3-D boost. They talk about "all" of the people they know who "liked" the film, ignoring others when they say people they know DIDN'T like it. It must be all "rainbow's and sunshine" in their world. Luckily, I live in R-E-A-L-I-T-Y.

And a GOOD Superman movie would have made $400 million domestic EASILY. When we get one, you'll see.

Anonymous said...

"They talk about "all" of the people they know who "liked" the film, ignoring others when they say people they know DIDN'T like it. It must be all "rainbow's and sunshine" in their world. Luckily, I live in R-E-A-L-I-T-Y.

And a GOOD Superman movie would have made $400 million domestic EASILY. When we get one, you'll see."

Nowhere did i ignore the people that do not like the film. That goes both ways you can't simply ignore all those who liked it simply because you did not. I have no idea why you would say a good Superman movie makes 400 mil domestic. What are you baseing that on? STM did not make that much, check the inflation, Superman 2 same thing with inflation made about 250 mil. As i said before Spiderman caught the studio by surprise they did not see the success it had coming not even close.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Nowhere did i ignore the people that do not like the film. That goes both ways you can't simply ignore all those who liked it simply because you did not. I have no idea why you would say a good Superman movie makes 400 mil domestic. What are you baseing that on? STM did not make that much, check the inflation, Superman 2 same thing with inflation made about 250 mil. As i said before Spiderman caught the studio by surprise they did not see the success it had coming not even close."

How can I say that? Because it's TRUE.

Just because Singerman Peeps under-performed, does not mean it's the movie-going public's fault. It's just another EXCUSE for you "Apologists" to throw around. "It's not the film, it's the people". WRONG. If Spiderman did it, a GOOD Superman movie would too. Did the studio not expect part 2 to make $373 million DOMESTIC too? Was that a "surprise" too?

Come up with a NEW excuse, "Apologist". All of your old ones are played-out.

Anonymous said...

"If Spiderman did it, a GOOD Superman movie would too. Did the studio not expect part 2 to make $373 million DOMESTIC too? Was that a "surprise" too?"

I am not saying a Superman movie can not do it i am saying it is unlikely. Why did Spiderman destroy all the X-Men movies in terms of BO. By all accounts X-Men and X2 were great comic book films and did not come close to Spiderman's BO. Your point about the sequel is irrelevant. Once Spiderman made what it did the sequels's success was almost a given. Lucas never saw SW success coming but obviously he knew Empire would be a big hit. As i said before Superman's overall appeal is not what it was. Ask yourself this question. Why when SR got good reviews and was promoted to shit by WB did it not open a lot bigger than it did? Word of mouth had yet to spread and all signs pointed to this being a good film.

ApologistPuncher said...

"I am not saying a Superman movie can not do it i am saying it is unlikely. Why did Spiderman destroy all the X-Men movies in terms of BO. By all accounts X-Men and X2 were great comic book films and did not come close to Spiderman's BO. Your point about the sequel is irrelevant. Once Spiderman made what it did the sequels's success was almost a given. Lucas never saw SW success coming but obviously he knew Empire would be a big hit. As i said before Superman's overall appeal is not what it was. Ask yourself this question. Why when SR got good reviews and was promoted to shit by WB did it not open a lot bigger than it did? Word of mouth had yet to spread and all signs pointed to this being a good film."

Sorry, but the "signs" were BAD from the start.

Do you think people weren't put off by the costume? Honestly? Because people KNOW what Superman looks like, whether YOU "Apologists" think so or not. Then they saw that STUPID kid, and it was obvious where THAT was going. So don't "assume" it was Superman as a CHARACTER that failed, it was BS and BS alone.

Also, if you think the general move-going public is hooked on "reviews", then ALL of the Oscar-nominated flicks would be breaking records. They aren't. NOTHING in the trailers "grabbed" people, and if you took off your "Apologist" glasses for a second, you'd see that.

Anonymous said...

"Do you think people weren't put off by the costume? Honestly? Because people KNOW what Superman looks like, whether YOU "Apologists" think so or not."

LOL you are fucking joking right. Way to prove what a fanboy clown you are. Every magazine i picked up i read how much BR looked like CR asshole. So shit yes i know what Superman looks like and they cast a guy who is a dead ringer for the last Superman. BR was not flying around in a black fucking Superman suit you retard. Are you deluded enough into thinking the average person noticed a big difference in the suit? None of that shit was the problem try again, that was your weakest yet.

ApologistPuncher said...

"LOL you are fucking joking right. Way to prove what a fanboy clown you are. Every magazine i picked up i read how much BR looked like CR asshole. So shit yes i know what Superman looks like and they cast a guy who is a dead ringer for the last Superman. BR was not flying around in a black fucking Superman suit you retard. Are you deluded enough into thinking the average person noticed a big difference in the suit? None of that shit was the problem try again, that was your weakest yet."

Yep, proving your age here, dickless. See people, I say "take off your "Apologist" glasses", and this mongoloid couldn't even do it ONCE.

Routh a "dead ringer" for Christopher Reeve? How fucking IDIOTIC are you kid? Grow the fuck up before you post your inane bullshit, you ball-sucking waste of oxygen.

Anonymous said...

"Routh a "dead ringer" for Christopher Reeve? How fucking IDIOTIC are you kid? Grow the fuck up before you post your inane bullshit, you ball-sucking waste of oxygen."

If you don't think he looks like him that's fine but both the media and the public say otherwise.