Monday, March 19, 2007

Singerman 2 to be Shelved in Favor of the JLA Movie?

Take this one with a BIG grain of salt, but Moviehole has an article up today quoting "inside sources" close to W.B. Studios saying that they may be shelving any plans for Singerman 2 to move ahead with the Justice League of America movie featuring Superman as a lead character.

"I heard from a pretty reliable source this weekend – who, has some top contacts himself – who essentially confirmed that the WB are thinking of putting the next “Superman” movie into turnaround, and instead will just use the character in the new “Justice League” movie. (Funnily enough, Batman would not be involved in the new film – he’s too big to waste on a film like this, apparently).

Having now heard the same from about half-a-dozen reliable insiders, I checked in with a couple of sources near the Water Tower itself, who wouldn’t confirm nor deny the reports, but definitely haven’t dismissed that it’s a possibility. One of them would only say that there “could be something in [that]”

If true, that's quite interesting. The evidence would also seemingly be starting to mount against Singer getting the chance to have another go at the rotting corpse of Superman he left us or at the very least delaying it.

It seems they'd be taking Superman for the JLA film as a way to help try to drum up support for the Superman character after the lackluster box office from the first Singerman film. If the JLA film was a monster hit, the article muses, they might then go ahead with a Singerman 2. But does that make much sense? If someone is able to make the JLA a monster hit using Superman (hopefully, correctly this time) why would W.B. then want to turn around and hand him back to the guy who screwed it up the 1st time? Unless of course they mean, they'll go ahead with another Superman film perhaps not with Singer attached to direct again, but that's not really clear.

The article also states that they think Brandon Routh would most likely be donning the tights again in the JLA film, but I'm not too sure about that. If you believe some of the rumored script ideas for the JLA movie Routh's Superman wouldn't exactly be in continuity with it, although let's face it his Superman wasn't in continuity with ANYTHING. Another thing to consider is that he might have the stigma of being part of Singerman attached to him, and if WB's unhappy enough with the Singerman franchise to bale on it, or at the very least delay it for a while, why would they want to risk the public associating the two films by having the same star in the same role?

UPDATE: IGN has admitted hearing the same rumor over the weekend.

168 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Robert Meyer Burnett Confirms Sequel Start Date" says Younis, and when he's found out and challenged about posting pure speculation (which was subsequently RETRACTED by the source!)as "News" the whole discussion is removed.

Can't have people seeing Younis getting his ass handed to him....again

voice_of_reason said...

thats what happens when you're desperate for ANY source to corroborate your news. Obviously Burnett wasn't supremely confident on his "opinions" regarding production or there wouldn't be this big hub-bub in the 1st place.

swright said...

Can't have people seeing Younis getting his ass handed to him....again


Actually, you are wrong..The discussion of this is the first item on the main page...get your facts straight.

Oh and Steve younis, reported what ROB said to him..But he didn't specify it came from ROB..It was ROB that went into a public forum and told everyone that the sequel was still slated for a March 08 start date..Everybody was trashing Steve for not revealing his source and he didn't reveal him until after ROB came out and then he posted what he said in the public forum...

Steve didn't make anything up..For some reason ROB felt like he had to retract his statement...My guess is that this JLA rumor has more legs than most think...

I have no problem if Singer is let go..But I would definitely like to see Brandon continue as Superman in the JLA...If they are unwilling to let TW wear the suit in the season finale of Smallville because they don't want the audience confused, then why would they recast?

Oh and ROB'S retraction has nothing to do with Steve or the homepage...

Anonymous said...

Funny how the JLA rumours came of the back of the Smallville episode being so well liked....and again Welling's name is back in the mix for Supes.

Can't help agreeing with the above poster, the JL rumour certainly sounds promising

Anonymous said...

"Oh and ROB'S retraction has nothing to do with Steve or the homepage..."

Again, bullshit. Although the discussion has reappeared.

You simply can't print someone's comments as News, then when that person then angrily retracts them fail to publish that retraction. That's just not fair on Rob Burnett, or the fans who are only being fed Younis's Singer objective.

Hardly "balanced" journalism!

Anonymous said...

Well the headline over at SHH now reads "Burnett COMMENTS on Sequel Start Date"

The word "Confirms" has now been dropped.

As no apology seems to be forthcoming for printing incorrect speculation as fact, that's as close as Younis could come. Pathetic. They can dish it out to Variety, yet when criticism is aimed at them FOR THE VERY SAME REASON they behave like children!

Anonymous said...

..oh and Younis's ass is STILL being handed to him.

Apparently Burnett is happy for SHH to take his speculation as fact, but not other web pages!!! I'm sure he's happy to that his public retraction has been ignored over on SHH too!

They can't see the wood for the trees!

swright said...

Again, bullshit. Although the discussion has reappeared.

You simply can't print someone's comments as News, then when that person then angrily retracts them fail to publish that retraction. That's just not fair on Rob Burnett, or the fans who are only being fed Younis's Singer objective.

Rob Burnett made that public post after the Superman homepage reported their news...So what exactly does Steve have to apologize for?

Let me guess, you were banned from the site and now have a bone to pick with the site...And he's not getting his ass handed to him..It's one dumbass poster that won't stop.

It's the same guy that won't stop posting as anonymous over here right now.

Anonymous said...

"Rob Burnett made that public post after the Superman homepage reported their news...So what exactly does Steve have to apologize for?"

...and they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the retraction. One guy over there has the guts to tell all sides of the story because there's nothing like getting the all facts straight. It's very poor form and disrespectful to their "insider" being Burnett himself.

You don't want to admit they're nothing but Singer supporters and you will NEVER get the full picture. Singer owns their ass.
Except the one Younis keeps getting handed time after time.

Anonymous said...

Fuck bluetights. Go to Superherohype for the least biased discussions.

Anonymous said...

swright = superman homepage suckup

Anonymous said...

"Filming will probably begin March, 2008, as was always planned from the beginning. The WWII film Bryan plans to shoot over the summer will have NO EFFECT whatsoever on the Superman sequel schedule" explains Robert Meyer Burnett who handled all the behind-the-scenes material on "Superman Returns".

- No surprise but recent talk of Warners dumping the "Superman" sequel in favour of the "Justice League" movie has turned out false.

read and weep!

Restart

superman returns again in 2009!

Anonymous said...

LOl @ ReTard. Dummy doesnt know that Burnett retracted that very statement yesterday. Guess internet access at the "special school" was down yesterday....

Anonymous said...

You guys have this wrong. Burnett was commenting about the Variety article that stated that it was Singer's schedule that would delay the sequel. Burnett said that is not true and it was always Singers plan to do a smaller film in between the next Superman. He did not say WB has greentlit the film. He said as of right now the plan is for everyone to be back and Singer's schedule is not an issue. Those are the facts right now, Singer has a deal and the plans are to shoot in March of 08. Now if Singer goes to WB with his script and they hate it that is another matter altogether. However i highly doubt WB will do anything until Singer delievers a script to them since they signed him for the sequel. If they like it they will probably greenlight the film, if they hate it they will go another way.

Anonymous said...

^ then explain why yesterday he said that nothing he said previously was "confirmed" just how he believes things may be. He also gave the infamous "in Hollywood, things change" schpiel. Funny how that came out right after all of the hullabaloo of Singerman getting scrapped for the JLA film

Anonymous said...

What he was referring to was WB and whether or not they want to move forward with Singer. That is what he meant about things could change. The Variety article said nothing about WB not wanting Singer back they were saying it would be delayed because of this new film Singer is doing. Rob said Bryan is on schedule to shoot SR 2 in March of 08 which as of now is still the plan.

ApologistPuncher said...

Yeah, it's the "plan" because you WANT IT TO BE, right?

Jesus, you 'Apologist" nit-wits, face that little thing called REALITY. BS' bullshit is DONE, son....

Anonymous said...

Singer is a FAG and Superman Returns was gay.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, it's the "plan" because you WANT IT TO BE, right?"

What does what i want have anything to do with this? Read through what i wrote i am giving only the facts here. Singer has a deal and WB has said nothing about firing him yet. You seem to be praying that it will happen but it is hasn't yet has it? If you want to buy into all these rumors as fact be my guest.

Sepharih said...

Oh...this would be priceless. I agree that this is something to take with a huge grain of salt, and I'm honestly not going to hold my breath, but with everything else that has happened in the past month who knows.

Also, at first I kind of disliked the idea of not having Batman involved in the film, but after I thought about it for a little while I think it’s actually for the best ultimately. The filmmakers are going to have a hard enough time as it is establishing and developing all the new characters. The first meeting between Bats and Supes is NOT something to treat lightly. They could, and SHOULD, do an entire movie that dealt solely with that premise latter on in the franchise.

Anonymous said...

I'm excited about the idea of a JL movie but i doubt it will happen. It will probably be a risky venture for WB because the budget should be huge for that. I mean come on if WB spent 150 mil on BB and 204 mil on SR, a JL movie might cost like 250 mil or something crazy like that. So many heroes and big effects the film would require to make it right.

Anonymous said...

I see Singer's suckers are praying to the Gay Gods that a JL movie doesn't happen. I like the argument that it would cost too much by comparing it to the bloated, wasteful Superfag Returns. How did they finance those three X Men movies????

Sepharih said...

At the poster before last:
You might be surprised. There's a very large misconception that Visual FX are the biggest costs of big budget films like this, but they aren't. Of Spider-man 2's massive 200 million dollar budget, 65 million was devoted to visual effects. Alot of money to be sure, but that's still less than 33% of the total budget. Take a film like the recently released (and absolutely superb I might add) 300 also, the total budget of that film was 65 million. Usually the biggest cost of films like this is the actors, director and producers, and film rights.
I don't have access to the WB's books so I'm not sure where all the money went but I recall hearing that alot of the costs of Superman Returns went into building some of the larger set pieces, as well as that massive flight rig they set up.
As long as they hire the right people and go for mostly unknown actors I honestly think the film is feasible.

ApologistPuncher said...

"What does what i want have anything to do with this? Read through what i wrote i am giving only the facts here. Singer has a deal and WB has said nothing about firing him yet. You seem to be praying that it will happen but it is hasn't yet has it? If you want to buy into all these rumors as fact be my guest."

I see, so you have seen this "deal" in writing, right? Or are you going on something you READ? Wouldn't that make it a "rumor" too?

No "praying" necessary. BS is as "out" as his sexuality.

Anonymous said...

MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!

Anonymous said...

"I see, so you have seen this "deal" in writing, right? Or are you going on something you READ? Wouldn't that make it a "rumor" too?"

Uh yeah AP WB announced that Singer signed a deal for the sequel that is not a rumor it is a known fact. Whether it gets made or not who knows at this point but he has a deal for the sequel.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Whether it gets made or not who knows at this point but he has a deal for the sequel."

Funny how things change, eh? Remember you said this:

"Rob said Bryan is on schedule to shoot SR 2 in March of 08 which as of now is still the plan."

MY whole point was YOU DO NOT KNOW. Thank you for proving me correct.

I love how the "Apologists" ignore the big picture, and try to proclaim "victory" on the little things.

Anonymous said...

"MY whole point was YOU DO NOT KNOW. Thank you for proving me correct."

Nice try but you failed yet again. I said as of now is still the plan. The key words AS OF NOW, meaning things could change, care to try again.

Anonymous said...

"I love how the "Apologists" ignore the big picture, and try to proclaim "victory" on the little things."

The big picture is Singer has a deal for a sequel to be put out probably in Summer of 09. The little things is you guys hanging on to rumors of his demise like they are facts.

swright said...

Looks like Variety is backtracking about the delay as well...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961510.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Apparently now he CAN fit it in before he starts production on SR's sequel..Which they say Bryan is in the early stages of production...

So, right now? Who the fuck knows anymore..lol..

Anonymous said...

SUPERBOY RETURNS 2009!

yay

voice_of_reason said...

sort of ironic that Singer will now be directing a film about a planned assassination of Adolph Hitler since he basically assassinated Superman last summer. The guy's on a roll.

ApologistPuncher said...

"The big picture is Singer has a deal for a sequel to be put out probably in Summer of 09. The little things is you guys hanging on to rumors of his demise like they are facts."

WRONG, retard. He has a "development deal" which means he can write the script. ANYTHING past that is speculation and praying by him and his bitches, i.e. YOU.

Anonymous said...

"WRONG, retard. He has a "development deal" which means he can write the script. ANYTHING past that is speculation and praying by him and his bitches, i.e. YOU."

That's right and nobody is guaranteeing the sequel is getting made. However if WB thought SR was a disaster they never would have given Singer a damn thing. They would have said, "You fucked up take a hike".

Anonymous said...

It is so ironic that Warner's kept so many other directors on reserve while trying to get the directer they wanted, and now it is happening to Singer, and Singerman, et al.

That it is now news that Warner's is not happy with Singerman, and is desperate for someone else, Singerman and Routh may become the George Lazenby and "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" of the Superman 'verse. How pathetic.

But like Lazenby, Routh seemed overwhelmed by the role, and the project.

So now Singer, who was vetted by the brass at Warner's while others were left twisting in the wind, finds himself in the exact same position.

The best that can be said for Singerman II is that it was the project Warner's later settled for than what they were trying to achieve.

Irony is so compelling.

Anonymous said...

"That it is now news that Warner's is not happy with Singerman, and is desperate for someone else,"

News, what news are you referring to exactly? The only news is that Singer has a deal in place, the rest is rumor and speculation.

swright said...

It is so ironic that Warner's kept so many other directors on reserve while trying to get the directer they wanted, and now it is happening to Singer, and Singerman, et al.

That it is now news that Warner's is not happy with Singerman, and is desperate for someone else, Singerman and Routh may become the George Lazenby and "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" of the Superman 'verse. How pathetic.

But like Lazenby, Routh seemed overwhelmed by the role, and the project.

So now Singer, who was vetted by the brass at Warner's while others were left twisting in the wind, finds himself in the exact same position.

The best that can be said for Singerman II is that it was the project Warner's later settled for than what they were trying to achieve.

Irony is so compelling.






HUH? This post makes no sense....

Anonymous said...

"HUH? This post makes no sense...."

Very little on this Blog does. It is like trying to read literature for the communist party.

Anonymous said...

true superman fans are communists now, everyone. Mr. Anonymous has spoken!

ApologistPuncher said...

""HUH? This post makes no sense...."

Very little on this Blog does. It is like trying to read literature for the communist party."

More proof that you have to be a brain-dead monkey to "like" Singerman Peeps. "Me no know what you say. Me smart you not, dum-dum".

And I love how it's "speculation" because you "Apologist" nut-munchers don't want to believe it. Guess what, shitheads? In Hollywood, "rumors" more often than not turn into FACTS.

Prediction: An "Apologist" retard will try to imply I said ALL rumors. Those of you with brain-cells get it though....

Anonymous said...

"true superman fans are communists now, everyone. Mr. Anonymous has spoken!"

Says the fuckhead that replied anonymous.

voice_of_reason said...

^says the dummy who doesnt realize that the true stab at him had nothing to do with the fact he posted anonymously...

Anonymous said...

^"says the dummy who doesnt realize that the true stab at him had nothing to do with the fact he posted anonymously..."

That wasn't my post i just found it funny someone trashed a poster for posting anonymous when they did the same.

ApologistPuncher said...

"That wasn't my post i just found it funny someone trashed a poster for posting anonymous when they did the same."

No, you took it as an opportunity to "score points" for the "Apologist" bitch-clan.

You failed, dingleberry.

Anonymous said...

"No, you took it as an opportunity to "score points" for the "Apologist" bitch-clan."

Someone is a bitch because they like a movie, how are old are you 12?

Anonymous said...

KRuuuuum. I've never prayed to you before. I have no tounge for it. No one, not even you will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought. Or why we died. No... all that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important. Battle pleases you, Kruuuum. So grant me one request. Grant me REVENNNNNGE! And if you do not listen... THEN TO HELL WITH YOU.

Anonymous said...

Just finished watching the latest ep of "Smallville"-with Lois in red leather!!

How do they get more action in 42 minutes than they could in a 2&1/2hour movie??

Anonymous said...

At least our Returns movie had the father hood theme from something in STM about father becoming the son and the father's son becoming the father's mother...

Anonymous said...

shit we need some news to fight over. This is getting boring, guys...

Anonymous said...

"shit we need some news to fight over. This is getting boring, guys..."

As far as official news goes i doubt we will hear anything until at least this summer. That is when Singer is due to start shooting this new movie. I am sure by then we will know one way or another if the sequel is going to happen or WB is going another way.

Anonymous said...

Ok, well see you around the summer time. I'll be back then to play the game some more.

Have a good spring, everyone. :)

ApologistPuncher said...

"Someone is a bitch because they like a movie, how are old are you 12?"

Actually, YOU are a bitch because you were born that way. You became an "Apologist" bitch for "liking" this piece of shit "film".

And don't question MY age, son. I'm old enough to know the difference between Superman and Singerman. One is a SUPERHERO, the other a peeping-tom, emo crybaby.

Anonymous said...

United States for a sequel to get the green light. The film officially passed the $200 million domestic mark on October 22, 2006.[2] On October 25, 2006, IESB.net reported that a deal between director Bryan Singer and Warner Bros. had been finalized for a sequel. The budget will reportedly be reduced; however, the existing sets would contribute to lower costs across the board for the upcoming movie. In addition any sunk costs for the abortive sequels in the 1990s would not be included in the budget. The sequel is expected to be more action focused than its predecessor.[39]

The working title for the sequel has been reported, and neither confirmed nor denied, as Superman: The Man of Steel.[40] The focus will be on a tighter story with more villains and bigger action sequences.

Current talk states that Warner Bros. is also contemplating fast tracking the long-planned Justice League film including Superman as the league's iconic leader, possibly before the solo sequel. [41] However, this doesn't impact Routh playing Superman in the future.[42]

This is from wikipedia. See unlike the most of the morons on this page (talking to you AP) I post the truth. I would be happy for any movie with Superman in it. And so far from all my sources that is a go. No production company will walk away from a good franchise, and that is precisely what Superman is.

Restart

2009 either singer does man of steel or JLU.

I win on both counts

ApologistPuncher said...

"This is from wikipedia. See unlike the most of the morons on this page (talking to you AP) I post the truth. I would be happy for any movie with Superman in it. And so far from all my sources that is a go. No production company will walk away from a good franchise, and that is precisely what Superman is.

Restart

2009 either singer does man of steel or JLU.

I win on both counts"

Wow, how many times can this idiot post the EXACT SAME BULLSHIT? Just because you post to Wikipedia (a "trusted" source there, huh?), all of a sudden he thinks he "knows" something?

And "sources"?? You fucking lame-brain, posters at Bluenuts are NOT "sources". God, these fucking "Apologist" bitches get together and all of a sudden they have "sources".

Delusional asshole.

Anonymous said...

"Actually, YOU are a bitch because you were born that way. You became an "Apologist" bitch for "liking" this piece of shit "film".

And don't question MY age, son. I'm old enough to know the difference between Superman and Singerman. One is a SUPERHERO, the other a peeping-tom, emo crybaby."

Well then son since you answered me with such an utter lack of class that means you are either really young or incredibly immature.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Well then son since you answered me with such an utter lack of class that means you are either really young or incredibly immature."

Or I put you in your place, bitch.

And seeing as how I wasn't talking directly to YOU, and you took "offense", you are either a female or a little whiney retard.

I'm guessing retard. Your punctuation gives you away.

Anonymous said...

So now if Warners pass on Singer's pussified version of Superman in favor of a JL movie, ReTard wins on both counts?????

WTF? Talk about having a bet both ways!! This guy backpedals more than Younis.

Anonymous said...

And now it seems we could be seeing Supergirl instead!! Back of the line Mr Singer.

Anonymous said...

"Just finished watching the latest ep of "Smallville"-with Lois in red leather!! How do they get more action in 42 minutes than they could in a 2&1/2hour movie??"

Fuckin A! You said it! They got Lois running around in some retarded costume not fit for a porn video and Clark in gay leather chaps and it's STILL better than the piece of shit that was Singerman. How's that possible? Somebody explain that to me? Could it be that Clark actually has a set of brass cajones and knows how to fight like Superman should? Could it be that Durance is actually fuckalicious no matter what she's wearing?

Jesus H. Christ, but if it doesn't beat the shit out of me. What a goddamn waste.

Anonymous said...

"Could it be that Clark actually has a set of brass cajones and knows how to fight like Superman should? Could it be that Durance is actually fuckalicious no matter what she's wearing?"

Yep, things sadly missing in you know who's vision of "Superman"

Anonymous said...

"Or I put you in your place, bitch."

If by cursing like a convict and carrying on like a mental patient in your world means you put me in my place then yeah you sure did pal.

ApologistPuncher said...

"If by cursing like a convict and carrying on like a mental patient in your world means you put me in my place then yeah you sure did pal."


And seeing as how I wasn't talking directly to YOU, and you took "offense", you are either a female or a little whiney retard.

I'm guessing retard. Your punctuation gives you away.

Anonymous said...

"And seeing as how I wasn't talking directly to YOU, and you took "offense", you are either a female or a little whiney retard.

I'm guessing retard. Your punctuation gives you away."

The only thing that is worse than these immature antics is the lame way you actually attempt to justify them.

ApologistPuncher said...

"The only thing that is worse than these immature antics is the lame way you actually attempt to justify them."

In other words: "Wah-wah, I got nothing. Wah-wah". Take your whiney ass somewhere else, bitch.

The sad part is, assholes like this think they are "accomplishing" something by being here. No one with a fully-functioning brain knows exactly what that is, due to the fact you have to be brain-dead to "like" Singerman Peeps.

Anonymous said...

"The sad part is, assholes like this think they are "accomplishing" something by being here. No one with a fully-functioning brain knows exactly what that is, due to the fact you have to be brain-dead to "like" Singerman Peeps."

LOL and you are accomplishing what by telling people you are going to fuck their mothers? Other than sounding like you are posting from a 6 by 10 padded cell.

ApologistPuncher said...

"LOL and you are accomplishing what by telling people you are going to fuck their mothers? Other than sounding like you are posting from a 6 by 10 padded cell."

I'M here to talk about how much BS piece of shit STUNK. So I am "accomplishing" what this site is here for, you ignorant asshole. YOU, on the other hand, are here to be a whiney bitch. Anyone with brain-one would see this. Says a lot about YOU, doesn't it?

And I WOULD fuck your mother, but she's probably more MANLY than your limp-wristed ass.

Anonymous said...

"YOU, on the other hand, are here to be a whiney bitch. Anyone with brain-one would see this. Says a lot about YOU, doesn't it?"

I am here because i enjoy reading other's views on the film. I can accept and respect negative views of the film with ease even though i liked it. You on the other hand clearly have no respect for anyone's views but your own and have no clue how to express yourself without being a complete jerk.

Anonymous said...

Regardless there has yet to be one fact stated that singer is off the project. All we have is - dead mother f'ers, useless gay bashers, and moronic opinions and rumors. This site is so in the tolet its not even funny. I expect triple "S" next post is that the rumor in hollywood or person "X" hate the film.

Isn't it time to move on and look to the future in 2009?

Restart

Anonymous said...

What i find the most funny on this blog is the people that say if Singer does the sequel they are actually rooting for it to suck. Yeah that makes sense, supposed Superman fans rooting for a bad Superman movie. If Singer gets the axe and someone else gets on board great you guys got your wish. If he doesn't root for him to make a good film. I know plenty of SW fans that were ready to hang Lucas after Episodes 1 and 2. They certainly were not pulling for Episode 3 to suck i can tell you that.

Anonymous said...

"What i find the most funny on this blog is the people that say if Singer does the sequel they are actually rooting for it to suck."

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I'd say that most are hoping that Singer doesn't go near a sequel as he clearly has little understanding of Superman. If he gets another shot, the evidence is already out there that it will more than likely suck. I certainly have little confidence in his casting at the very least. Who wants to see Bosworth reprise her role as Lois? Or see a wimpy Superman dressed in a wetsuit with dinky little boots and a funny colored cape again?

Singer couldn't even ride on Donner's coat tails, as much as he tried

Anonymous said...

....oh and I forgot the allergy prone Superboy!

Just let Singer's "vision" die.

Reboot Superman, either in a new franchise or part of the Justice League and let the Singersuckers play their Returns DVD to their hearts content

Sepharih said...

“What i find the most funny on this blog is the people that say if Singer does the sequel they are actually rooting for it to suck.”

Like the guy before me stated; I don’t know how you came to that conclusion at all. In fact, I’ll admit right now the possibility (read: not probability) that the “Superman Returns” sequel could be absolutely fantastic. I hate the first “Spider-man” film with a passion but I also think that, after “Batman Begins”, “Spider-man 2” is the greatest Super hero movie ever made. I also hated “Fantastic Four”, but I’d be lying if I said the trailers for the sequel haven’t caught my interest. Your example with Star Wars is also a great example. The point is, even if the sequel to Superman Returns goes down as the greatest Superhero film ever made, it’s NEVER going to change how I feel about its predecessor. From my perspective, the theatrical cut of “Superman Returns” will always be a big complex inane mess.
And again, reiterating what the poster before me stated, I’m not going to root for Singer to come back on the off chance that he might actually produce something watchable this time when there’s a chance to get somebody new on board who might actually have a grasp and understanding of the traditional Superman paradigm. Obviously getting someone new doesn’t automatically lead to a better film, but I’d rather take that chance than risk a repeat of this travesty.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Regardless there has yet to be one fact stated that singer is off the project. All we have is - dead mother f'ers, useless gay bashers, and moronic opinions and rumors. This site is so in the tolet its not even funny. I expect triple "S" next post is that the rumor in hollywood or person "X" hate the film.

Isn't it time to move on and look to the future in 2009?

REtard"

Isn't it time you head back to Bluenuts, ladyboy? No one gives a shit what you think. NO ONE.

This little bitch will disappear for good once the plug is pulled on Singerman 2: Peep Harder.

Anonymous said...

"I’m not going to root for Singer to come back on the off chance that he might actually produce something watchable this time when there’s a chance to get somebody new on board who might actually have a grasp and understanding of the traditional Superman paradigm. Obviously getting someone new doesn’t automatically lead to a better film, but I’d rather take that chance than risk a repeat of this travesty."

One thing that i am sure WB is factoring in to their decision is what Singer did with X2. That is widely considered to be a better film than X-Men and it was much more successful at the BO as well. The man has proven he can make a superior sequel if given the chance.

ApologistPuncher said...

"One thing that i am sure WB is factoring in to their decision is what Singer did with X2. That is widely considered to be a better film than X-Men and it was much more successful at the BO as well. The man has proven he can make a superior sequel if given the chance."

Yep, WB said: "BS, you totally fucked-up our investment, but since you made ONE "good" sequel, we're giving you a second chance to ream us! NO WAY you'll let us down AGAIN!!".

Get a clue.

Anonymous said...

"Yep, WB said: "BS, you totally fucked-up our investment, but since you made ONE "good" sequel, we're giving you a second chance to ream us! NO WAY you'll let us down AGAIN!!".

Get a clue."

Why did they give him a deal for the sequel if they had no intention of considering letting him do the sequel? You are the one that needs a clue if they thought Singer fucked up so bad he gets shown nothing but the door by WB. They don't give him any deal at all.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Why did they give him a deal for the sequel if they had no intention of considering letting him do the sequel? You are the one that needs a clue if they thought Singer fucked up so bad he gets shown nothing but the door by WB. They don't give him any deal at all."

He didn't "Get a deal" you moron. He has a "development deal", which means he can write the script. That's IT. They did that to save face, but he WILL be gone, whether you fuckheads want him to or not.

Learn how Hollywood works before you jump to conclusions, idiot.

Anonymous said...

One thing that i am sure WB is factoring in to their decision is what Singer did with X2. That is widely considered to be a better film than X-Men and it was much more successful at the BO as well. The man has proven he can make a superior sequel if given the chance.
^^^
By this logic why doesn't WB just call up Ratner now and get their action packed and box office hit Superman film now?

Ratner’s X3 did better than Singer’s SR at the box office even with all the Ratner online hating and Singer jock riding before hand.

Just goes to show that a bunch of loudmouth fanboys have no idea what sales in the real world.

Anonymous said...

"He didn't "Get a deal" you moron. He has a "development deal", which means he can write the script. That's IT. They did that to save face, but he WILL be gone, whether you fuckheads want him to or not."

Yeah sure WB just handed him a bunch of money for no reason at all. Your basically saying WB has already decided that he is gone which makes no sense at all on any level. Save face my ass you don't toss a bunch of money at someone you have no faith in to deliver a good product.

Sepharih said...

“One thing that i am sure WB is factoring in to their decision is what Singer did with X2. That is widely considered to be a better film than X-Men and it was much more successful at the BO as well. The man has proven he can make a superior sequel if given the chance.”

I think it’s been explained clearly enough that this is not a factor in Singers return, but I’d like to say something else, and I’d like to say it aside from any marketing and/or financial factors (which are far larger dictators in films like these than anything else). And also, as always, remember that this is just my opinion.

The difference between “Superman Returns” and its potential sequel and “X-men” and its sequel is that while “X-men” was not a great film, it was a respectable film that did get the franchise started on the right track.
“Superman Returns” was not a good idea and/or direction for a film that ultimately fell just short of realizing its full potential for whatever reason; it was a fundamentally flawed concept from its very inception.
An “X-men” sequel needed only to push what it had already started even further. Salvaging the Superman franchise doesn’t start with pushing forward from where they are, it starts with completely shifting gears and getting back on the right track.
I’m not just talking about some more action scenes and a retooling of a certain color scheme. Just to start, I’m talking about a massive retooling of what they’ve done to the Superman character, as well as the unconditional replacement of Kate Bosworth.

Anonymous said...

"An “X-men” sequel needed only to push what it had already started even further. Salvaging the Superman franchise doesn’t start with pushing forward from where they are, it starts with completely shifting gears and getting back on the right track.
I’m not just talking about some more action scenes and a retooling of a certain color scheme. Just to start, I’m talking about a massive retooling of what they’ve done to the Superman character, as well as the unconditional replacement of Kate Bosworth."

That is all opinion and you have no way of backing that up. Does X-Men make two cents at the BO if it opened when SR did this past summer? Would it have even made enough money to warrant a sequel? You can't say with certainty that X-Men did not need major changes going forward and Superman does. Did X-Men get better reviews than SR, no it did not. Did it make more money than SR, no it did not. What you are saying is based purely on your own personal bias of the film.

Anonymous said...

X3 made more money than SR.

Sorry if Singerman got his ass handed to him by Pirates and Prada, maybe Singer’s vision would have done better if it opened this crowded coming summer. Please, let Singerman open one week before Spiderman 3, Sherk 3, POTC 3, Transformers or a low budget major studio release staring Ann Hathaway Hell even the second Fantastic Four and see what would happen. Most likely the results would probably be the same.

A turkey is a turkey no matter how you slice it.

Sepharih said...

...Um...are you joking or are you really this stupid?

“That is all opinion and you have no way of backing that up.”
I stated IN MY POST that it was “just my opinion” you moron. Try reading it again.

“Does X-Men make two cents at the BO if it opened when SR did this past summer? Would it have even made enough money to warrant a sequel?”
...uh...Do you think you could rephrase that?

“Did X-Men get better reviews than SR, no it did not.”
“X-men” and “X2” both got better reviews than “Superman Returns” did. Check Rottentomatoes.com and try again. Also, “Superman Returns” got better reviews than “Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest” did. Need I say more?

“Did it make more money than SR, no it did not.”
Wrong.
In terms of total worldwide gross, “X2” made 7 million more, and “X-men: the last stand” made roughly 60 million more than “Superman Returns” did.
In terms of net profits ALL the “X-men” films made more money than “Superman Returns” did.

“You can't say with certainty that X-Men did not need major changes going forward and Superman does.”
It does if I and the maintainers of this blog are going to find it acceptable. Without major retooling to the direction of this franchise here are some of the choice things that will appear again in the sequel:

-Superman will still not act like Superman, and the film will continue to try and focus on his emotional development and portray him as a more cerebral character, when he simply flat out isn’t.
-Lois Lane will continue to be an utterly vapid waste of space.
-Jason, the most arbitrary character in the entire film, will be given a larger role; which is the last thing this franchise needs. If anything it needs his death so we can FINALLY see Supes driven over the edge.
-This “love” triangle between Supes, Richard, and Lois will be drawn out for yet another film, and will be just as dull and lifeless as it was the first time.

I can go on and on.

“What you are saying is based purely on your own personal bias of the film.”
Anything anyone says as to the relative quality of the film is based purely on their own personal bias.

Anonymous said...

Routh to be the face of a rumored Justice League movie, who do they think he is Hugh Jackman?

Routh hasn’t been seen or heard of since SR, but I hear he’s got some parts in low budget films with nobody directors coming up so we’ll see.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Yeah sure WB just handed him a bunch of money for no reason at all. Your basically saying WB has already decided that he is gone which makes no sense at all on any level. Save face my ass you don't toss a bunch of money at someone you have no faith in to deliver a good product."

Not only do you need to educate yourself on how Hollywood works, you need to educate yourself on the SUPERMAN MOVIE HISTORY. WB threw money after money for NOTHING.

And if you think they gave BS a "bunch of money" to write a "potential" script, you are MORE retarded then your BS "homerism" implies.

Anonymous said...

“Did X-Men get better reviews than SR, no it did not.”
“X-men” and “X2” both got better reviews than “Superman Returns” did. Check Rottentomatoes.com and try again. Also, “Superman Returns” got better reviews than “Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest” did. Need I say more?

“Did it make more money than SR, no it did not.”
Wrong.
In terms of total worldwide gross, “X2” made 7 million more, and “X-men: the last stand” made roughly 60 million more than “Superman Returns” did.
In terms of net profits ALL the “X-men” films made more money than “Superman Returns” did."

Yikes did you not read a word of what i said before. As far as the reviews go i suggest you go back and check RT again. SR has 237 reviews counted and it came in at 76% positive clip. X-Men only 127 reviews counted and it had an 80% positive clip. Those are a ton of reviews not accounted for with X-Men. You would gave to assume that those 100 plus reviews would have to still be coming in at an 80% clip for X-Men. BTW the cream of the crop for SR was 73% compared to X-men's 59% in spite of so many more reviews counted for SR than X-Men. Lets be fair about this one and say the reviews for the film are basically even. Now as far as you talking about X2 and X3's BO compared to SR. That was not what we were discussing. We were talking only about X-Men and SR. You seem to think the base that was established in X-Men was far better and thus easier to make a superior sequel in X2. I said based on the facts that does not appear to be the case. 3 formats are used to measure how a film is received. BO, Reviews and DVD sales. Reviews between X-Men and SR are about even, SR made more money at the BO and i gurantee you given all the formats WB released it in SR sold more DVD's than X-Men. A films budget is also not what we were discussing. This is only about how those 2 films were received by the public and based on the facts SR was received better than X-Men. Therefore it makes little sense to me why you would think X-Men was so easy to make a good sequel to and SR was so bad the sequel would need a total overhaul for it to work.

ApologistPuncher said...

"SR made more money at the BO and i gurantee you given all the formats WB released it in SR sold more DVD's than X-Men."

Yep, give a "guarantee" with NO PROOF to back it up. THAT'S how you get people to take you seriously..

"A films budget is also not what we were discussing."

Because you know there is a HUGE difference between the two. So right away try to throw out the 5-ton elephant sitting in the corner. Fortunately for us, YOU are too WEAK to lift it.

"Therefore it makes little sense to me why you would think X-Men was so easy to make a good sequel to and SR was so bad the sequel would need a total overhaul for it to work."

Because X-Men did what it did in a time when "comic book movies" were a HUGE gamble. It was a more PROFITABLE film than Singerman, and despite the ignorant notion you "Apologists" live by, THAT is ALL that matters in Hollywood.

Anonymous said...

"Not only do you need to educate yourself on how Hollywood works, you need to educate yourself on the SUPERMAN MOVIE HISTORY. WB threw money after money for NOTHING."

Yeah and how many of those people were given deals after they had made a Superman movie and WB had time to sit and think about it? The answer is ZERO.

Anonymous said...

"Because you know there is a HUGE difference between the two. So right away try to throw out the 5-ton elephant sitting in the corner. Fortunately for us, YOU are too WEAK to lift it."

Not relevent to our discussion at all. The issue we were discussing is what film was better received by the public? the answer is SR was better received than X-Men. So saying X-Men was just about perfect and needed no major changes going into the sequel and SR does need big changes makes very little sense.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Not relevent to our discussion at all. The issue we were discussing is what film was better received by the public? the answer is SR was better received than X-Men. So saying X-Men was just about perfect and needed no major changes going into the sequel and SR does need big changes makes very little sense."

Ladiesand Gentlemen, I give you the "Apologist" in a nutshell. They ALWAYS want it both ways. HE can "introduce" DVD sales into the discussion, but the budget isn't "relevant" because it counters his "Defense".

Like I said, X-Men was MORE PROFITABLE, and no "spin" is going to change that FACT. Deal with it.

swright said...

Like I said, X-Men was MORE PROFITABLE, and no "spin" is going to change that FACT. Deal with it.


He's not arguing that...He is arguing which film brought in more theatre revenue from the public..We all know that Xmen made a better profit. Nobody is arguing that...

And he threw in the DVD sales to say that the DVD sold better than the XMEN DVD...Which obviously needs to be backed up with a link or something but it doesn't mean he was trying to say it made SR more profitable.

you are arguing profitability, he's not.

ApologistPuncher said...

"you are arguing profitability, he's not."

The answer to your question IS profitability. There is NO argument. X-Men was more profitable, so the standards for a second film were set low. Singerman had HIGH standards to go with it's HIGH budget and it floundered. So the standards for a sequel are now set TOO HIGH for BS to "hit the mark".

Question asked, question answered.

Anonymous said...

"Ladiesand Gentlemen, I give you the "Apologist" in a nutshell. They ALWAYS want it both ways. HE can "introduce" DVD sales into the discussion, but the budget isn't "relevant" because it counters his "Defense"."

You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing by totally ignoring the issue of which film was better received by the public. A studio can make an independant film for 5 mil and it can rake in 50 mil. That is very profitable but it does not mean it is the best launching pad for a sequel to that film.

"Singerman had HIGH standards to go with it's HIGH budget and it floundered. So the standards for a sequel are now set TOO HIGH for BS to "hit the mark"."

That makes no sense at all. The expectations financially for the sequel will be lower this time around. If the sequel makes 230 mil people will be saying it is a hit because the first made 200. The media and the fans all wanted SR to make 400 mil when it came out. Obviously nobody will expect that from the sequel so there is less pressure on it.

Anonymous said...

Amazing, the apologists are already apologising for a Singerman sequel before it's even given the go ahead

Anonymous said...

Interesting news about Tom Welling emerging. Looks like he's not connected to the "Teen Wolf" film anymore, looks like a much bigger film project is in the offing.

Anonymous said...

"Interesting news about Tom Welling emerging. Looks like he's not connected to the "Teen Wolf" film anymore, looks like a much bigger film project is in the offing."

You got a link

Anonymous said...

Like I said in an earlier post, it is quite ironic that Warner's is now letting those involved with the Singerman sequel, twist in the wind, as they did to so many others associated with Superman projects before Singer. A good laugh.

In last weeks Ent. Weekly, in the story about the success of "The 300" that Singerman Returns was a "failure", their words, not mine. If a Warner's associated mag. is again, saying the project was a failure, then maybe many associated with Warner's believed it was a failure. All of the beliefs that Warner's failed with the publicity of the Singerman project, now know Warner's knows how to let people know how to let the public get excited about a project, and Singerman was a failure.

No matter what happens from this point, if Singerman II is greenlit, many, if not all will wonder if is was because no one else would take this project forward. If Warner's was looking for another director, and staff, et al, doing behind the scenes would have been bad enough. But now that is has become public knowledge, everyone involved with a Singer sequel is now tainted with the fact that they were the only choice, but probably not the best choice. It will now be called a project that only went ahead because no one else wanted to. Kind of pathetic.

Routh's career is really dead at this point. It has been almost one year and he has done one or two voice overs at KidsWB, and nothing more. That Kal Penn, who does have a vibrant career, has to give him a "Hail Mary" pass in one of his projects just solidifies that. If Routh didn't take it, it still looks bad.

Makes one wonder how all the "rejected" actors for the Supes role must now feel vindicated in not getting the role. Are they now laughing at poor Routh and Singer, one would hope.

Sepharih said...

“Yikes did you not read a word of what i said before.”
Yes I did, but you didn’t, as you demonstrated with your asinine statement of “That is all opinion and you have no way of backing that up.”

“As far as the reviews go i suggest you go back and check RT again. SR has 237 reviews counted and it came in at 76% positive clip. X-Men only 127 reviews counted and it had an 80% positive clip. Those are a ton of reviews not accounted for with X-Men. You would gave to assume that those 100 plus reviews would have to still be coming in at an 80% clip for X-Men. BTW the cream of the crop for SR was 73% compared to X-men's 59% in spite of so many more reviews counted for SR than X-Men. Lets be fair about this one and say the reviews for the film are basically even.”
So now they’re even? Be careful not to trip while you backpedal. I could push the issue further, but film critics mean squat to me anyway, so I'll let it slide.

“Now as far as you talking about X2 and X3's BO compared to SR. That was not what we were discussing. We were talking only about X-Men and SR. You seem to think the base that was established in X-Men was far better and thus easier to make a superior sequel in X2. I said based on the facts that does not appear to be the case.”
Facts? Facts!?! What facts!?! Facts have nothing to do with it! There are no facts which dictate that “X-men” is a definitively better movie than “X2” to begin with! It’s called a matter of opinion. Look the word up, please.

“3 formats are used to measure how a film is received. BO, Reviews and DVD sales.”
In that case you really are an idiot. Do you think a movie studio cares if a film has a 53% rating on rottentomates if it makes over a billion dollars at the box office, ala “Pirates”? Do you think that the academy awards care if a film makes less than two cents at the box office if it’s a cinematic masterpiece?
A films success and its relative quality have nothing to do with one another in this context

“Reviews between X-Men and SR are about even, SR made more money at the BO and i gurantee you given all the formats WB released it in SR sold more DVD's than X-Men. A films budget is also not what we were discussing. This is only about how those 2 films were received by the public and based on the facts SR was received better than X-Men. Therefore it makes little sense to me why you would think X-Men was so easy to make a good sequel to and SR was so bad the sequel would need a total overhaul for it to work.”
Let me sum up your logic:
Succesfull film = Good film.

Superman Returns needs a total overhauls for it to work because, as far as I’m concerned, IT’S A TERRIBLE MOVIE. I’d still call this film terrible if it had made 2 billion dollars at the box office. I’d still call this film terrible if it had a 100% rating on Rottentomatoes and had won 10 academy awards. It’s a boring inane piece of cinematic sewage that I’d sooner love to forget than get a sequel for.
I already stated before what WILL happen in the sequel without a drastic overhaul to the franchises basic foundation. “X2” was the natural progression of the storyline they had set up in the first film. The sequel to “Superman Returns” will be the same thing, but I don’t WANT that storyline to progress. I don’t care to see an introspective and brooding emo version of Superman. I don’t want to see a lifeless and passionless love triangle between Superman, Lois, and a guy who’s more of a plot device than anything. I don’t want to see anymore development into an arbitrary character like Jason.

Anonymous said...

That above, is a great post

ApologistPuncher said...

"That makes no sense at all. The expectations financially for the sequel will be lower this time around. If the sequel makes 230 mil people will be saying it is a hit because the first made 200. The media and the fans all wanted SR to make 400 mil when it came out. Obviously nobody will expect that from the sequel so there is less pressure on it."

Proving yet again he knows NOTHING about Hollywood with this post..

Since he FLOPPED with the first picture, he would need to knock it out of the park, and make-up for what he did with the first sum of money he WASTED. Expectations for a much HIGHER return would be in place. Since BS has NO vision, and no understanding of the CHARACTER, he COULD NOT deliver.

You "Apologists" think WB cares about total dollars. Reality check: PROFITABILITY IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT. If the budget was slashed to $170 million, $230 million in BO is NOT SUFFICIENTLY PROFITABLE.

Anonymous said...

"You "Apologists" think WB cares about total dollars. Reality check: PROFITABILITY IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT. If the budget was slashed to $170 million, $230 million in BO is NOT SUFFICIENTLY PROFITABLE."

Yeah that theory might work if the movie was only released in the US. You were saying what about me not understanding how Hollywood works? AP give me a number how much do you think SR has grossed for WB. I really don't think you have a clue. I think you just look at the BO and nothing else. Do you have the slightest clue how many different ways a film like this makes money for a studio, because the more you post the less informed you come off.

Anonymous said...

Yes Time Warner may be able to just brake even with SR in other avenues such as pay per view, DVD, and TV network airings but that isn’t the main means to an ends the studio wants when it makes films with budgets over 200 million dollars.

A studio does not invest huge amounts of money in a film like SR and is happy if they can just brake even in the end, they do it to make a positive financial killing; films like SR are meant to be big tent pole films during their days at the box office.

Say for instance, do you think Sony would be very happy if Spiderman 3 did a SR at the box office but in the end still managed to just brake even with DVD sales and the such?

No, in that since the film would be considered a huge failure to the studio, just as Singer’s SR is and has been for Time Warner.

Anonymous said...

----Also the percentage of the cut that the studio receives from revenue overseas is much lower than in the domestic market due to fees associated with airing a US product on foreign soil.

Anonymous said...

...and Returns is already in the bargain DVD bins downunder

swright said...

...and Returns is already in the bargain DVD bins downunder

What's your point? The movie came out in November, it is now the end of March....4 months later it goes into the bargain drawer and you think it means anything? Get a clue. Rental stores start to sell their copies because they don't need them anymore for rentals. So they sell them cheap....Usually for 10 bucks or so.

Anonymous said...

Swright, you are a jackass, but as you're a known disciple of Younis, you probably already know that

FYI, Superman The Movie, 2, the Donner cut...all still sell for full price. I wasn't referring to ex rentals either only sell through.

Superman the Movie came out in 1978, so what's your point Singer sucking ladyboy? Get a clue!

Anonymous said...

Superman The Movie Special Edition
AU$33.83

Superman Returns Special Edition
AU$17.83

...and it came out in November and now it's March!! Typical apologist bulldust

swright said...

Swright, you are a jackass, but as you're a known disciple of Younis, you probably already know that


And you are a pussy that calls people names anonymously, so what's your point again? I'm not hiding behind an anonymous screen name..I let everybody know who I am, since I'm sure some of those that post here, including you(you just won't give your screenname) also post there, I figured I would give my real screen name.

Oh are you the guy that said Steve Younis was getting his ass handed to him about that whole story, when in fact there was only one brain dead poster over there saying shit? Funny, how you didn't mention anything when Variety BACKTRACKED too.

I just love how you guys think that a movie that has been out for 4 months drops in price actually means anything. It's still selling (new copies) in the states at it's normal price, so maybe it's just Australia?

Get the fuck over it already...At this point nobody knows what the fuck is going on or what is going to happen. Everything is just rumor, for or against the sequel.

Until the sequel is either officially announced or put to bed none of this means anything.

Especially what SR is selling for in Australia..

Anonymous said...

"Especially what SR is selling for in Australia.."

Sure, it's just another failure in another overseas market. Doesn't mean anything to Singersuckers.

Anonymous said...

"Because of his World War II epic, "Give 'Em Hell, Boys!", Bryan Singer will now be departing the production, to be replaced by a new director"


SWEET JESUS!! THERE IS A GOD!! THANK YOU. That's taken from Younis's site.

It looks official, and Smallville is the new Justice League.

Thanks SSS, Apologist Puncher and all for keeping the faith.. and THANK YOU Warner Bros for seeing the light and noticing the backlash

Anonymous said...

It's a belated April 1st hoax!! I got so excited I rang a friend! She rang back and said "Are you sure? It says Noel Neill is playing Lois Lane"

The Smallville news sounds interesting though, but I'm so ashamed with myself that I'm giving up on Superman altogether

Anonymous said...

Alright guy, the apologists are all out in force trying to cover up a letter this mega joe fella supposedly recieved that's thrown them all into a fit.

Our task is to tell people the truth. Don't let bluetights shroud this in lies, people... get to it!

swright said...

Sure, it's just another failure in another overseas market. Doesn't mean anything to Singersuckers.

How is a movie going to the bargain bin 4 MONTHS after it originally came out on DVD a failure? The studio's make most of their money from DVD sales in the first month, maybe 2. After that it just trickles. Do you have facts about it tanking in Australia when it first came out?

I doubt it.

swright said...

Where is this April fools joke on Supermanhomepage? It's not on the main page. You guys do know that younis doesn't run Bluetights right?

Anonymous said...

Singer is a FAG and Superman Returns was gay.

Anonymous said...

The franchise is Singer's to lose. Routh will remain Superman no matter who takes the helm. Lots of wheels spinning on a Justice League franchise as well. They're looking to go lighter and have more action. If certain ppl get their way, it will be more F4 than xmen. They already want Welling to lead...

Anonymous said...

Superman will be fine in 2009!

With singer at the helm it will have deeper meaning then the losers at this website will every truly appreciate.

Sepharih said...

oh...pray tell...what "deeper meaning" did the first schlock fest have that I didn't "appreciate"?

ApologistPuncher said...

That with "great power" comes "great creepiness". Only BS knows HOW that "meaning" translates to Superman.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Yeah that theory might work if the movie was only released in the US. You were saying what about me not understanding how Hollywood works? AP give me a number how much do you think SR has grossed for WB. I really don't think you have a clue. I think you just look at the BO and nothing else. Do you have the slightest clue how many different ways a film like this makes money for a studio, because the more you post the less informed you come off."

Yep, this moron STILL knows NOTHING about how Hollywood works.

Hey, genius. Can't you get it? ALL of those things you mentioned are supposed to be the "icing on the cake", NOT the "cake" itself. They give a bloated budget and "free reign" to BS so he would produce AT THE BO. He DIDN'T.

These "Apologists" are too STUPID to realize THEY mean nothing in the end, and no "spin" they attempt will change REALITY. WB wanted a SMASH, what they got was a SHIT BOMB. When the methane clears, the DOLLARS will be BS' undoing.

Anonymous said...

With great responsibility comes........great creepiness, now that, unlike Singerman, was brilliant.

If Entertainment Weekly, for the third time is calling the film a "failure" and is owned by the Time/Warner conglomerate, then maybe, yikes dare I say it, ....it was a failure, then it probably was.

The film may, just may make a small, insignifigant profit, yet is was supposed to relaunch the franchise, and didn't. Warner's did not want to eek out a small profit, they wanted huge, and it wasn't, sadly, no if, and or buts......It was not. They wanted to relaunch the franchise and make lots and lots of money, and they didn't, so why should we be surprised they are thinking about the franchise, and the future.

That this conversation about the sequel is now public is not good for the project. Remember when Ratner's choices/ideas/plans became public, and it hurt the project? Why? Maybe we should all take a deep breath, and realize the same is happening now. This type of situation does not go public by accident, either Warner's itself, or someone, or many within Warner's want to do damage to any Singerman II. This is embaressing, and therefore Warner's would never want it to be public, unless they had ulterior motives.

As for those who believe someone got a response from Warner's after writing them about their thoughts of Singerman II.

I did as well, Warner's told me I was a genius, if misunderstood, and that I should come and run the company. Sadly, my cat pissed on it and my dog ate it, but it did happen. So, yeah, I got a letter, and so what? Some low, low, subterranean hack wrote them a letter, that means, what exactly?

Letter's to fans from Warner's. Is that what we have been reduced to? Like Singerman Returns, just pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Opinions of the stupid. Say what you like about Returns, I have yet to see one solitary ioda of evidence saying that the movie is not moving forward. For all AP and other do is spout hate. Please oh great denialist, show me the link to the WB press release that says Singers not attached. Can't find one can you? Guess that means.....................

Man of Steel steals your heart in 2009!

Boy its great when I'm right

Restart.

Anonymous said...

I think the reality is WB is either going to do another one with Singer or shut it down again for a really long time. Why would WB have any confidence that a reboot in a few years with a whole new cast and director would be much more successful than SR was? Maybe if they shut it down this JL movie gets made and we see Superman in that.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Opinions of the stupid. Say what you like about Returns, I have yet to see one solitary ioda of evidence saying that the movie is not moving forward. For all AP and other do is spout hate. Please oh great denialist, show me the link to the WB press release that says Singers not attached. Can't find one can you? Guess that means.....................

Man of Steel steals your heart in 2009!

Boy its great when I'm right

Restart."

Hey, look everyone! Ladyboy Returns! And what does he bring with him? Stupid inane BULLSHIT!

Just like you fucking dickheads like to say about NO report of him actually SIGNED TO MAKE THE SEQUEL, his dismissal is shortly coming.

When it does, you ladyboy bitch, I can't WAIT to see you cry, make-up running and everything.

Anonymous said...

Just like you fucking dickheads like to say about NO report of him actually SIGNED TO MAKE THE SEQUEL, his dismissal is shortly coming.



http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117952909.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

HMMMMM...Yeah it says he signed on to make the sequel in this article. It's certainly more than you've been able to produce AP.

Oh and before you start bitching about "There is no script ladyboy..blah..blah..blah" That's not what you were talking about. You were talking about there being no article saying that he signed on for the sequel. This article begs to differ.

Anonymous said...

When SR 2 is in pre-production in the fall i bet AP will go into hiding or come back under a different name.

ApologistPuncher said...

"When SR 2 is in pre-production in the fall i bet AP will go into hiding or come back under a different name."

Since that WON'T happen, I'll take that bet you little cock-stain.

And REtard, does that say he was signed for the "sequel"? Does it say the "sequel" is OFFICIALLY GREENLIT? No, no it doesn't. So take your bullshit BACK to Bluenuts. SOMEONE there HAS to need their salad-tossed, and we KNOW you're an expert.

Anonymous said...

AP, these apologists know they're dealing with WB, one of the double edged swords when it comes to comic book movies. So far they've managed to fuck up both their top comic franchises and will likely double fuck the latest ones, especially superboy returns. This shit is their modus operandi. So we should expect shit. Apologists are temporary superman fans so they'll stop caring about singer's piece of shit when Someone like Nolan comes along and makes a real superman movie for our time. You'll see. For now it seems as if WB will as always need a huge bomb like batman and robin to show them they've made a big dumb doo doo mistake.

They'll greenlight superboy's day out. It'll fail. Then we'll get Superman Reborn. Then people will say "Wow, superman can kick ass and not just lift shit? Fuck Singer's films."

Oh that day will be joyous.

Anonymous said...

"They'll greenlight superboy's day out. It'll fail. Then we'll get Superman Reborn. Then people will say "Wow, superman can kick ass and not just lift shit? Fuck Singer's films."

If they greenlight Singers sequel and it fails you will not see WB make a serious investment in Superman again for a really long time.

"Since that WON'T happen, I'll take that bet you little cock-stain."

Cock-stain, way to prove how old you are. Great so when they greenlit the film i will not see you around here anymore.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Cock-stain, way to prove how old you are. Great so when they greenlit the film i will not see you around here anymore."

With spelling and punctuation like THAT, YOU proved YOUR age, bitch. "when they greenlit the film.."? Fucking retarded.

And I will ALWAYS be here. I "belong" here, you, "Apologist" cunt, do NOT.

ApologistPuncher said...

"AP, these apologists know they're dealing with WB, one of the double edged swords when it comes to comic book movies."

True, but don't expect them to make the SAME MISTAKE twice.

BS fucked them, both literally AND figuratively. Their investors won't spread 'em again for him.. He had his chance, he lied to both them AND us, and he's done.

Anonymous said...

And I will ALWAYS be here. I "belong" here, you, "Apologist" cunt, do NOT.

See you in the fall when the film is a go and you are coming up with excuses as to why you are not honoring our BET.

Anonymous said...

love to see AP ass handed to him by someone other then me.

Believe in Singer's vision.

Restart

BTW still waiting for anything other then conjecture that WB is not continuing with Singer.

Anonymous said...

Singer’s Superman Returns is the equivalent of Schumacher’s Batman Forever.

Oh wait that comparison isn’t fair to Time Warner because they actually made a profit from BF in its theater run when they green lit another Schumacher Batman film.

I can’t wait for another Supes film under Singer, cause most likely it will suffer from the Schumacher effect where the audience will still have the sour taste of the first film in their mouths and not even look twice at Singer’s second helping of the Queer of Steel.

Superman Returns=Batman Forever
The Man of Steel=Batman and Robin
Bryan Singer= Joel Schumacher

The trilogy ends summer 09.

Anonymous said...

Hey I doubt the rowth, but I believe in reeve.

Sepharih said...

“I can’t wait for another Supes film under Singer, cause most likely it will suffer from the Schumacher effect where the audience will still have the sour taste of the first film in their mouths and not even look twice at Singer’s second helping of the Queer of Steel.“

I mean no offense, and I think you’re probably being facetious more than anything, but you’re still giving credence to what someone said several posts back; that some fans seem to actually WANT “Superman Returns 2” to suck. In the off chance that Singer was capable of salvaging this franchise and the sequel he produced actually did The Man of Steel the justice he truly deserved, would you disown the film simply because Singer had a terrible first outing?

We are all, or at least we all should be, Superman fans first and foremost. We should never ever let our personal feelings towards any particular filmmaker get in the way of what really matters; getting a good Superman film.
I’m only against Singer returning because “Singerman” demonstrated to me that he has, at best, a less than fair grasp at exactly who this character is and how to tell stories about him, and worse that he seems perfectly content to simply ride on the coattails of a filmmaker (Donner) with infinitely greater vision than he has.

Readers and writers of this blog; ask yourself a question.
What’s really more important to you? Is it watching Singer fail, or is it watching the REAL Man of Steel FINALLY return to the big screen for the first time in 20 years.

ApologistPuncher said...

"See you in the fall when the film is a go and you are coming up with excuses as to why you are not honoring our BET."

Hey, you fucking retard, you said I would LEAVE or "make up a new name". I NEVER said I would leave, you fucking cock-smoker. Jesus, I knew you were stupid, but way to PROVE you are brain-dead.

And REtard, your skewed sense of REALITY is laughable. You've been proven to be a JOKE, so no need to keep trying, ladyboy.

Anonymous said...

"Readers and writers of this blog; ask yourself a question.
What’s really more important to you? Is it watching Singer fail, or is it watching the REAL Man of Steel FINALLY return to the big screen for the first time in 20 years."

For people like SSS and AP it is watching Singer fail. I say that because they have backed themselves into a corner with all the shit they have talked about him and made it impossible for them to suddenly turn around and claim to like the sequel.

Anonymous said...

"Hey, you fucking retard, you said I would LEAVE or "make up a new name". I NEVER said I would leave, you fucking cock-smoker. Jesus, I knew you were stupid, but way to PROVE you are brain-dead."

I said you would leave or make up a new name and you said
i'll take that bet. So if they are in pre-production in the fall you neeed to leave or come up with a new screen name. Not that i expect you to honor your word since you are as classless as it gets around here.

Sepharih said...

“For people like SSS and AP it is watching Singer fail. I say that because they have backed themselves into a corner with all the shit they have talked about him and made it impossible for them to suddenly turn around and claim to like the sequel.”

1. The question was rhetorical.

2. Even if it wasn’t, SSS and AP can speak for themselves, should they choose too.

3. Why is it impossible? How many people talked shit for years about George Lucas and then, come 2005, were completely blown away by “Revenge of the Sith”. If Singer is willing to learn from his mistakes then this franchise is still salvageable. It needs a massive overhaul, true, but it can be done. Just think about how many times Superman has been in the toilet in the comic books when writers, GOOD writers even, lost their way while telling the stories, and then think about how many times he’s bounced back.
People talk shit about Singer because Singer made a shitty movie, plain and simple.
There’s no reason any critic of Singer and/or “Singerman” can’t enjoy a GOOD Superman film done by said filmmaker, should it ever come to pass. Again though, this is all hypothetical and I for one don’t feel particularly good trusting the franchise to Singer once again if I don’t have too, and I'd rather give the reigns over to someone else.

ApologistPuncher said...

"I said you would leave or make up a new name and you said
i'll take that bet. So if they are in pre-production in the fall you neeed to leave or come up with a new screen name. Not that i expect you to honor your word since you are as classless as it gets around here."

Wow, you really ARE a fucking toddler, aren't you? Do you even know what a "bet" is, fuckwad?

You made a proclomation, and I said I would take that "bet". When I said that, you fucking piece of monkey shit, I was taking the OPPOSITE side. You don't "bet" and BOTH SIDES take the same approach. YOU said I would do something, I said I WON'T.

So fuck you, and your whole fucking inbred family junior.

ApologistPuncher said...

"For people like SSS and AP it is watching Singer fail. I say that because they have backed themselves into a corner with all the shit they have talked about him and made it impossible for them to suddenly turn around and claim to like the sequel."

Yep, that's how "Apologists" think. It's ONLY about BS, not the HORRIBLE movie he made.

Since he WON'T make a sequel, no need to worry about it anyway, ladyboy.

Anonymous said...

"Wow, you really ARE a fucking toddler, aren't you? Do you even know what a "bet" is, fuckwad?"

I sure do and you are reacting exactly as all cowards do in full retreat mode. I can't blame you if you left this BLOG you would have nothing to look forward to all day. I'm sure you are not creative enough to come up with a new screen name so backing out is really your only option FUCKHEAD!!

"Yep, that's how "Apologists" think. It's ONLY about BS, not the HORRIBLE movie he made."

You got that one backwards. It is about SUPERMAN plain and simple. Some of you care more about ripping on Singer then the sequel. Like i am suppossed to believe that people like you if the film is greenlighted will get on board and be hopeful it is good. Of course you won't, all you care about is trashing Singer, Superman comes in at a distant second.

ApologistPuncher said...

"I sure do and you are reacting exactly as all cowards do in full retreat mode. I can't blame you if you left this BLOG you would have nothing to look forward to all day. I'm sure you are not creative enough to come up with a new screen name so backing out is really your only option FUCKHEAD!!"

Yes, you really ARE a fucking idiot. Are you going out of your way to prove it, shithead? Next time you drop a "bet", know what the FUCK you are talking about kid.

And for those who want to laugh at this moron, but don't want to look for his stupid ass "bet", here it is:


"When SR 2 is in pre-production in the fall i bet AP will go into hiding or come back under a different name."

See, HE said I would leave or make-up a new name. I said I wouldn't, hereby "accepting" his "bet". NOW he is saying if I DON'T leave or make-up a new name, he somehow "won".

Pretty fucking REtarded, isn't he?

Anonymous said...

I tell you what the hell with what was said before. Right here and now yes or no, if the Sequel happens you have to leave the BLOG or change names. Are you man enough to accept the WAGER, YES or NO? If you are so confident that Singer is gone and the sequel is not happening, what's the problem step up and accept the wager.

Anonymous said...

This place is dead anymore SSS needs to post something new already.

ApologistPuncher said...

"I tell you what the hell with what was said before. Right here and now yes or no, if the Sequel happens you have to leave the BLOG or change names. Are you man enough to accept the WAGER, YES or NO? If you are so confident that Singer is gone and the sequel is not happening, what's the problem step up and accept the wager."

The problem is, junior, I don't RESPECT you enough as a human being to "wager" ANYTHING with you. YOU are a brain-dead piece of shit, and I already kicked your ASS today.

Go fuck yourself, Gump.

Anonymous said...

"The problem is, junior, I don't RESPECT you enough as a human being to "wager" ANYTHING with you. YOU are a brain-dead piece of shit, and I already kicked your ASS today.

Go fuck yourself, Gump."

So in other words you are not as confident as you say about the sequel not happening. If you were you would have no problem accepting the wager. As far as kicking my ass. I am the same guy that beat the hell out of you when predicting Ghost Riders BO. You said it would make 140-150 mil, i said 110-112. Last count it is at 114 and about to go into dollar theatres. You missed that one by a fucking mile buddy, just like i said you would. If you don't want to lose to me again just say it and save us both a lot of time.

swright said...

Actually Ghost Rider has closed.

Sepharih said...

“You got that one backwards. It is about SUPERMAN plain and simple. Some of you care more about ripping on Singer then the sequel. Like i am suppossed to believe that people like you if the film is greenlighted will get on board and be hopeful it is good. Of course you won't, all you care about is trashing Singer, Superman comes in at a distant second.”

Just FYI, if the sequel is greenlit I’m hardly going to “get on board” and hope it turns good. Most likely I’ll sigh, take a trip to my local comic book retailer, and enjoy some well written stories about Superman as he should be portrayed. All in preparation for the almost certain travesty already in development.

Now, if the information that starts to come out sounds good and the trailers look fantastic I may start to get interested, but Singer has got a long way to go before I invest anything into a Superman related project that he’s in charge of.

Also, just in case there’s any confusion at all, I’m not against ripping on Singer. By all means, go for it. You’ll get no complaints from me for tearing Singer a new asshole. He deserves it after “Singerman”. All I’m against is asking and/or hopping that a Superman sequel is just as craptacular as its predecessor so that Singer will get sacked. We, myself at least, are not here because we’re anti singer. We’re here because we’re Superman fans.

Anonymous said...

DON'T DOUBT THE COMIC SUPERMAN!

Anonymous said...

SSS is a bitch and this BLOG SUCKS!!

Anonymous said...

Superman Returns=Batman Forever
The Man of Steel=Batman and Robin
Bryan Singer= Joel Schumacher


ROFLMFAO so fucking true...

Anonymous said...

The Man of Steel=Batman and Robin
^^^
It’s already looking like this being the case with Singer saying that he’s going to give Superkid-Jason a larger role in the next film and more to do.

The man just doesn’t get it. In one of his past interviews he blamed SR’s poor outing on marketing instead of placing the blame where it belongs; on him and his vision.

Anonymous said...

DON'T DOUBT THE JASON!

:o

Anonymous said...

"It’s already looking like this being the case with Singer saying that he’s going to give Superkid-Jason a larger role in the next film and more to do."

I really believe if that is the case that WB will fire him. It is clear they are willing to give him a shot but WB is not blind to the criticisms of SR. The sequel must be centered around Superman and a great Supervillain. His relationship with Lois is always central to a Superman movie as well but the kid i can't see where the hell Singer can go with that and not have it be a cheesy Superboy type of deal. You can have the kid in the movie but he can NOT be central to the story if the sequel is going to have any chance at being good. I think if that is Singers plan he will get the AXE.

Sepharih said...

Like I said before, the best thing Singer could possible do would be to kill Jason off. Bring in a villain like Darkseid and have him kill Jason right in front of his eyes.
The kid’s already little more than a stock character as it is, and I’d be willing to forgive almost everything I ever said about his existence if it ultimately led to seeing a fully enraged, so mad his eyes glow red, Supes on screen for the first time. Superman is essentially an Achilles archetype, and it’s way past time we saw that rage unleashed.

Anonymous said...

Kill Jason? Hello? Does anyone not want a fresh start? This is serious business here. This isn't a game.

We have two options:

Do the superman and Superboy adventures series.

Or

Do a complete overhaul and start fresh.

----
And I wish these apologists would wake up by now. As someone said "you like returns? Good, you have YOUR superman movie on dvd. Watch it and be happy. NOW IT'S OUR TURN. Why are you against comic fans being happy for a change?"

Apologists, just let us be happy. You're only making things worse by sucking Wb's dick all day and all night at your computers.

Sepharih said...

“Kill Jason? Hello? Does anyone not want a fresh start? This is serious business here. This isn't a game.”

Believe me, I would LOVE a fresh start. I would love to be able to spin the Earth backwards and prevent this travesty from ever happening, but the fact is that it did happen. We can’t just get a “Superman Begins” a few years from now. It would have to be another decade before WB would try and revamp the franchise again.
I think their best option is to use this rumored Justice League movie to do what Marvel seems to be doing with the incredible Hulk. Ironically, I guess their best option is a loose sequel...of a loose sequel.
The beauty of the Justice League movie is that it wouldn’t necessarily have to be in continuity with “Singerman” for it to work, but it wouldn’t have to contradict it either. Take a look at the Bruce Timm series. You hardly ever saw Lois, Jimmy, the Kent’s, or any of the others; because the majority of the interaction takes place within the League. Jason could still exist in the universe, but just never be mentioned.

Again though, the above is all hypothetical. There’s still a chance Singer will get to make his sequel, in which case I’m just going to think of how they can get this franchise back on track.


“We have two options:
Do the superman and Superboy adventures series.
Or
Do a complete overhaul and start fresh.”

On the contrary; “WE”, the fans that is, have no options at all. We have to deal with what WB chooses to do, ultimately.

Anonymous said...

The Superkid is Singer’s legacy with this film and his labor of love, do you think the guy is just going to abandon it with the next film and compromise HIS vision of Superman?

Anonymous said...

"The Superkid is Singer’s legacy with this film and his labor of love, do you think the guy is just going to abandon it with the next film and compromise HIS vision of Superman?"

He does not have to abandon it just not put it front and center. If he wants to do another Superman film he will put it in the background because i don't think for one second that WB will allow him to make another Superman with the kid having a big role in the film. Lucas tried it with Jar Jar Binks, the fans hated it and he put him in the background for the next 2 films. Singer needs to do the same thing with this kid.

Sepharih said...

“The Superkid is Singer’s legacy with this film and his labor of love, do you think the guy is just going to abandon it with the next film and compromise HIS vision of Superman?”

Honestly, no (or at the very least not by his own decision), which is yet another addition to the myriad of reasons why he’s both A) the wrong person to be in control of this franchise, and B) a complete and total asshat. That’s why I’m still crossing my fingers for him to get the boot, though I don’t intend to get my hopes up.
Course, ya never know, Singer may surprise me yet.

Also, If that shallow excuse for a character represents his Legacy in concern to the Superman mythos, it’s rather pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Also, If that shallow excuse for a character represents his Legacy in concern to the Superman mythos, it’s rather pathetic.

^^^
What else would his legacy be? His Whose film is a knockoff of a very dated Donner continuity. If the kid isn’t his legacy then the casting of Bosworth as the most miscast Lois ever won’t be his saving grace.

Anonymous said...

JASON = SCRAPPY DOO.

of the Superman movie Franchise.

I doubt Singer knew what he was doing.

"Hey gang, let's do what every major studio does when a show's ratings are dipping, and throw in a cutsey character for moms to say 'awe ain't he cute' at. Yeah, this'll work! And let's have the little guy kill some thug with a piano all Scooby Doo style. I'M SUCH A CLEVER GENIUS and my little fanboyz online will protect me since they have no lives and nothing else to live for. ha ha ha."

Anonymous said...

Wow this blog is still around. You know people this movie opened up last year. Last Year! Both sides remind me of the OCD chick thats always washing her hands or my X who kept bringing up her broken heart from 5 years ago. GET A GRIP! Go outside it may help your complection. And SSS let the peerps know you dont post here anymore. That way these people can move on.

Anonymous said...

It is a little odd that he has not posted anything in such a long time. I doubt he is gone though, just not much news or rumors right now to report.

swright said...

There's nothing to report...And in all honesty there probably won't be much of anything to report for a bit. My guess is that if the sequel is definitely green lit then we will find out this summer. Until then, there really isn't going to be much to talk about.

Anonymous said...

Well lets face it nothing that came out the last few weeks was anything official at all. I mean people were even going nuts about anonymous posts from people at SHH claiming they have inside sources at WB telling them they are rebooting the franchise. The rumors are going to keep going but your right, no official news until probably the summer.