Unless you've been living under a rock for the past week I'm sure you've heard by now about Spider-man 3 's record opening weekend box office take of $151.1 million domestic and $382 million worldwide. (75% and 97% of Singerman's TOTAL box office take respectively) Mind you this is for the third film in a trilogy when these big film franchises usually tend to fall off a bit i.e. Batman Forever, Superman III, The Matrix Revolutions, etc.Now granted the box office take is not the sole indicator of a film's quality, as the few supporters of Singerman like to point out. (except when it comes to comparing it to Batman Begins, then box office matters for some reason?) However it can be one big indicator of a film's quality since if people enjoy a film or a franchise of films, they'll actually pay to see it... a novel concept I know.
So why does Spider-man, Marvel's flagship character, continue to break box office records and soar in popularity while Singerman, DC's big gun and American pop culture stalwart, festers in cinematic mediocrity and Brandon Routh's photo appears on milk cartons? Well it's a pretty simple formula, parts of which we've discussed on this blog before. The break down is as follows:
1. A director with an appreciation of the source material who isn't afraid to do his own spin on it within the bounds of what's consistent with the characters. - This is the most crucial piece to any of these films. This is why the Sam Raimi's and Christopher Nolan's of the world get such rave reviews from the fan communities and why websites like this exist for Bryan Singer. Raimi is a life-long Spider-man fan. Even so, he admitted to spending hours upon hours with the writers brushing up on the comics to decide where he wanted to go with all 3 of the Spider-man films. He wanted to do his own updated take on the material while remaining true to who the characters are. He knew these characters had withstood the test of time for a reason, and didn't have the ego to try and make them something they weren't. True, he took a lot of shit for the whole "organic webshooters" thing, but in the end it was a relatively minor alteration and he still came through with the same Spider-man character everyone knows just with an updated twist.
Singer on the other hand, admittedly shit-canned the comics, and had his cronies Harris and Dougherty pen an unabashed love letter to Richard Donner's film and took liberties with the Superman character in an attempt to give him some kind of "emotional weight," when if he had just studied the character in the comics over the last two decades since Superman: The Movie he would've found all of the weight he needed.
2. A charismatic cast who plays well off one another. - Chemistry is an important part to casting any film . Not that I'm a fan of Kirsten Dunst by any means, but she and Tobey Maguire have "it" on screen together. You buy them as a couple and you empathize with them. The entire cast plays well off one another and that energy comes across when you watch the films. There's little to no "scenery chewing" in these films either with the exception of Dafoe at times in the first film. Most everything comes off as sincere.
Compare that to Singerman where you have background extras who have more dialogue than Brandon Routh, and he and Kate Bosworth have all the chemistry of old oatmeal and dont allow the audience to build a shred of empathy for them. (and you wonder why people keep bringing up Tom Welling and Erica Durance as a basis for comparison?) Add to that the fact that they completely wasted Kevin Spacey's talents by making him play a long extinct, petty swindler version of Lex Luthor that was far too Gene Hackman-like, and it's no wonder why audiences really had trouble caring about these characters or they alleged "drama" the film was trying to build.
3. Appeal across all demographics. - Again Spider-man makes a killing at the box office because its got something for everyone. It's true to its roots so the life-long fans enjoy it. Its got a ton of action for the young male crowd. Its got love triangles for the young female crowd. It's got the fast-pacing, super villains, and bright costumed characters to appeal to children of all ages. It also doesn't take on touchy issues like pre-marital sex and illegitimate children that offend the politics of some and turn certain people off.
What demographic exactly was Singerman trying to appeal to? Besides himself that is? Singer copped to the fact that he thought he made a "chick flick." An odd choice considering comicbook movies generally skew towards the young male demographic who prefer the exact opposite of that which is the action blockbuster. (Studio head Alan Horn acknowledged that shortcoming.) It makes sense to add pieces of that drama element to a film, not dominate the movie with it, and even then it fell flat since Bosworth's zombie like performance killed any believability in the romance angle. The only person you really felt bad for in the whole mess was Richard White.
Children weren't really targeted by the film either with it's slow-pacing, lack of an interesting villain (unless you count the island...) and drab, washed out pallette, which was an extremely odd choice for such a light character. The sluggish merchandise sales figures basically confirmed that the movie didn't hit home with kids. Then you get to the alleged "elements of drama" like the illegitimate "super kid" and the creepy stalker angle, and you don't really have a family friendly film either.
4. Storylines that don't unnecessarily paint the film into a corner and lend themselves to further sequels. - At the end of each Spider-man film you know the direction the characters are headed in and they don't make have any unnecessary plot contrivances that they'll have to sweep under the rug in the sequels. They dont saddle Spider-man with children he doesnt know he has for the sake of trying to evoke some emotional response about him being an orphan. Seriously, what the hell do you do with that kid in sequels? (unless you never intended for any...) Forget him? Kill him? Make him a side-kick? If that's the case, why invent him in the first place other than for arbitrary drama?
5. Don't be ashamed of who you are. - These are comicbook characters. Embrace that! You dont need to pretend to be some boring, weighty think piece. There have been compelling drama aspects to comics for years even though the focus has always been on action and the super reality the stories are based in. You dont need to pretend to be The Bridges of Madison County in order to evoke an emotional response from your audience, the emotional aspects are in the books already. Plus going overboard like that's something that is only going to bore them to tears.This is what killed the first Hulk movie and why it's being relaunched as the action/adventure epic it should've been the first time. But at least in the case of that film, most of the cast had the acting chops to pull it off.
The Spider-man films do the comicbook drama aspect very well. The death of Peter's Uncle Ben, Peter explaining how he could've stopped the shooter to his Aunt May, the revelation to Harry Osborne that Peter is Spider-man are all very well done and all straight from the comics. Where was that in Singerman? Even the way you actually empathize to an extent with the Spider-man villains is great and they dont do it in an over-the-top, sappy way. They do what they do for a reason, not for the sake of just doing so. They actually have real motivations not wacky real estate schemes for no apparent reason. That's part of what keeps people coming back and recommending the film to their friends.
This whole "Spider-man formula," however, has been evident since May of 2002 when the first Spider-man film exploded onto the scene, a full 4 years before Singerman was even released, so why did WB miss it? Hell Singer even got parts of it right in the first two X-Men films. The only thing I can think of here is that his ego and ambition to suck up to Donner got the best of him now that he felt he didn't have to prove himself in the genre any longer.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 414 Newer› Newest»"as far as POTC probably having better leggs then SM 3, what are you basing that on? Both part 3's have very mix reviews and the word of mouth coming out of POTC is about the same as SM 3 with folks saying it was full of action, SFX and nothing else."
I really liked Spidey 3 a lot not sure why it has dropped off so much. DMC got weak reviews and had monster legs all summer long. I also heard all summer how DMC was not as good as the first yet it made twice as much. Pirates has no other huge blockbusters in front of it for the rest of the Summer. Being the last of the big 3 to open should help it, so i do think it makes more than Spidey 3.
DMC also had the huge opening weekend, most likely people just ain’t as excited about this one as the last seeing that it was just last summer when they saw Captain Jack.
The fact that AWE is playing opposite Shrek/Spidey and the fact that like the above poster said it’s only been a year since we’ve seen Captain Jack is probably what is keeping the new POTC from dominating SM 3 type weekend numbers.
Face facts, POTC only competition last summer came from Superman Returns and since the preteen, and teenage set didn’t give two cents about Singerman, Depp and crew made booty with noone in thier way but this summer isn’t quite the same catwalk for Jack as last year.But don't get me wrong we're still talking a top 2 finish here between Emo Pete and Captain Eyeliner.
May the one that offers the most fun and bang for your buck win!
"Are you seriously arguing that WB could have slapped superman's name on anything with tons of action in it and it would have sold well regardless of whether the story was as retarded as the returns one or not?"
Yep...It sucks (because I'm a Superman fan too) but as long as it's recognizable (meaning blue suit, red cape..big yellow S) people will go. And if you don't want to acknowledge that then you are in denial. You and I love the character, but when it comes to Joe Public and their teenage kids they just want to be entertained. It's a hard truth that we as comic fans must come to understand...If it had a lot of fights and action then I gaurantee you that it would have made at least 50 million more because the opening week would have been much bigger.
The problems that we have with the film (and even though I liked it, I do recognize it's problems) mean nothing.
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That is exactly right. The problem here is so many people want to overate SR BO and say it did not make a shitload of money because it was not faithful enough to the comic material. Look at Spiderman 3, it is making a shitload of money and the fanboys are not yammering back and forth about their problems with it any less. What did Spidey 3 have that SR did not? Entertaining action moving at a fast pace. That is all the Gen public wants in a Summer movie. All this other stuff about Donner nods and Superman's kid is not an issue with most people, they just want to be entertained.
Oh yeah X3 is another one i almsot forgot. X3 is widely viewed by the fanboys as the worst of the three and it made the most money of the 3. Why because it had the most entertaining action of all the X-Men films.
The formula for summer success is action like everyone has been saying but the other key ingredient that you’re all forgetting is a cool factor, Singer’s Donner Superman was very 80’s and lame as fuck to the relevant demo audience.
You would be stupid to try and argue that Singerman is a hipper cat than the likes of Jack Sparrow, Spiderman, or Wolverine today.
"You would be stupid to try and argue that Singerman is a hipper cat than the likes of Jack Sparrow, Spiderman, or Wolverine today"
I'm not arguing that at all..However, Superman/Clark Kent is not supposed to be cool..He's the nice guy/boyscout...What will make him cool to the younger generation will be when he kicks ass in a movie. That's when he will become cool
The Clark Kent on Smallville has no problem being seen as both heroic and sexy to the younger 12 to 25 demo audience and with the budget that SV gets from Time Warner he barely ever gets to kick ass for more than 3 minutes an episode.
.But as far as your comment about “Superman/Clark Kent not supposed to be cool..He's the nice guy/boyscout...”
Spiderman/Peter Parker is not supposed to cool either but the kids today find him to be very cool, the dude’s a nerd, but maybe being a nerd is better than being a clumsy dork.
The point is fundamentality Singer’s Donner continuity is very outdated and not at all MTV or with the times.
Everything about SR from Lex to the Superkid screamed Austin Powers but unlike Mike Myers take on the villain trying to take over the world scheme Austin Powers didn’t expect its audience to take its camp seriously unlike SR.
"Everything about SR from Lex to the Superkid screamed Austin Powers but unlike Mike Myers take on the villain trying to take over the world scheme Austin Powers didn’t expect its audience to take its camp seriously unlike SR."
Austin Powers and SR comparisons, seriously man how fucking high are you right NOW??
I guess POTC is one the phenomena franchises I'm destined to never understand. I've seen all three and it seems like each is worse than the last. I don't doubt it'll be successful (effects, action, the cast, etc all guarantee it, more or less) I just don't see what the appeal is about.
To whoever keeps saying that Singerman could've sucked even MORE than it did, but still been successful it'd had more action sequences, a supervillain, etc... what can I tell you, I agree. The public was ready for a new Superman movie and an ultrashitty version of SR + badass fight scenes and more action would've delivered better box office.
For whatever anyone cares anymore, Routh never bothered me as Superman. Hell, the only part of his costume I didn't like was the coloring. The basic design of it wasn't any worse than we've seen in other superhero adaptations.
A reboot is the way to go. WB ought to wash their hands of Singer, Smallville, Donner and everything else and start the franchise anew.
Austin Powers and SR comparisons, seriously man how fucking high are you right NOW??
Superman's archenemy, Lex Luthor. His dastardly plan is to create another universe; this could kill billions of people. This is supposed to be a serious matter; we should be scared for the people of Earth, but we're not. Spacey's Luthor is laughable; As supervillains go, this Luthor is much closer in spirit to Dr. Evil from the "Austin Powers" movies than Dr. No from Bond.
BTW apologist how far up your ass is Singer's dick right NOW??
Superman Returns=Batman Forever
The Man of Steel=Batman and Robin
Bryan Singer= Joel Schumacher
The trilogy ends summer 09.
Austin Powers and SR comparisons, seriously man how fucking high are you right NOW??
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if anything an etiquette comparison would be that Superman Returns is the equivalent of Dumb and Dumberer.
Allow me to explain, both films were uninspired knockoffs and second helpings to previous films that were classics in their own rights twenty to ten years roughly after the fact (STM-superhero genre, Dumb and dumber-slapstick comedy).
Both featured second rates look-alikes that tried to ape the performances of the stars they were hired to replace mannerism after mannerism with none of the charm and timing the originators bought to the table and both films were flops.
Brandon Routh is like the guy who the producers hired to replace Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumberer, what’s his name? That’s right, no one remembers who he is at this point or has ever seen him on screen again. Just like no one has seen Routh since SR. Although to be fair we have heard him on voiceovers for Kids WB.
Even listening to Routh in interviews the guy doesn’t even have faith that the SR series can even make it to a trilogy saying he hoped to play The Singer of Steel in at least two films.
^^^You win. All the other arguments about action being the key to box office success should just shut up...
Grind house anyone?
Notice how commited swright is in believing the Singer sequel WILL be an unqualified success? Never mind all the inherent flaws in the entire concept and it's execution, just crank up the action for the next one! Like the studio enforced reshoot machine gun in the eye "action" which cracked up audiences everywhere.
How can you believe Singer could pull it off?
Another who willingly sucks on the teat of Younis and his Singer suckophants
"if anything an etiquette comparison would be that Superman Returns is the equivalent of Dumb and Dumberer."
Exactly. It's even generous to put Returns on the level of a DIRECT TO DVD Sequel to the franchise or even a Made For TV Movie.
It's what you come to expect, lousy casting, phoney effects, hammy villians, shot on video, recycled music, recycled lines from the earlier films, a cheaper looking costume.....you know the stuff I mean...all obvious in Returns
"Notice how commited swright is in believing the Singer sequel WILL be an unqualified success? Never mind all the inherent flaws in the entire concept and it's execution, just crank up the action for the next one! Like the studio enforced reshoot machine gun in the eye "action" which cracked up audiences everywhere. "
We are discussing those flaws you jackass. And the flaws that you and I see, aren't flaws that will keep the GENERAL MOVIE GOING PUBLIC away from the theaters. Jesus Christ how many times do you need to be told this? You absolutely refuse to believe that ACTION was the number one complaint among non comicbook fanboy fans. Yeah, giving Superman a kid was a big fucking mistake..But for the kids begging their parents to go take them to a cool superhero movie they DON'T GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT THAT. All they care about is for Superman to KICK ASS!!!!
And I love how you obviously visit Supermanhomepage as much as I do, but you have yet to tell me who you are.
And for all of you guys pointing to Grindhouse as an example of a comic book movie with action, I think you need to stop realize that Grindhouse IS NOT A COMIC BOOK FILM.
"All they care about is for Superman to KICK ASS!!!! " swright
You have no fuckin idea.
And why are you obsesivelly compelled to know, whether it be here or over on Younis's www.Singerlovein.com, who every poster's name actual name is??? What, are you going to look up us in the White Pages and call at odd hours?? You think us knowing that you're posting I.D is swright means anything or identifies or personalises you????
Nah, you're just another Younis clone who believes "more action" is the panacea to all Singer's self inflicted ailments. Pathetic
....it's just disingenuous after how many million dollars to literally hang on by the fingernails of credibility and demand average filmgoers to believe that a Singer sequel will be more exciting, as that was apparently a common complaint about their so called "masterpiece" of the comic book genre that was "Returns".
"What any SANE audience is looking for in a super hero film is good writing, a good story with real human drama that pulls you in and makes you care about the characters. The action of course, top notch.
However, all the action and eye popping special effects are secondary to the story itself. If the audience isn't pulled in and truly empathizes with the characters, you've got zilch. Special effects alone no longer make the film. The audience has to believe something other than whether or not a man can fly."
When I made the above statement earlier in this thread, it was in regards to the "larger" movie going audience. NOT just "kids", the obsessed comic book fan, or even more obsessed Superman fanboys.
The reason Spiderman 2 was such a monster block buster and considered superior to its prequel and to Spiderman 3 is that it contained all of these elements in almost perfect balance. Almost all film critics agree that Spiderman 2 is the benchmark super hero film all other super hero films should aspire to.
The largest number of movie goers aren't fan boys and comic book fans, nor strictly super hero geeks.
I'm not going to debate these points, I didn't realize when I made my first post that you fellas were more interested in arguing with, and criticizing one another over your statements, concerning why Superman Returns was such a dismal offering.
We're all in agreement the film was garbage, and any sequel that follows in the foot steps of the continuity and level of script writing established by Returns will continue to smell.
Singer stated he was going to "Wrath of Khan" the sequel.
The Star Trek reference being that Paramount's first excursion into the Star Trek franchise with , "Star Trek the Motion Picture" was a horrible mis step.
The sequel, "The Wrath of Khan" ignores the first film, and starts the whole Star Trek film Universe over again, costume changes and all. Only the Enterprise looked the same.
For Singer to truly "Wrath of Khan" the mess he's created, he has to throw out everything he established in Returns, write a decent script, and get Routh out of that Halloween costume and into a real Superman Costume. (Actually, its preferable he find a replacement for Routh, who just isn't that much of an actor.)
Ramping up the action and special FX will be the equivalent of spot lighting rabbits for kids and audience members who have low standards for content when it comes to their entertainment. But for the vast majority of movie goers, they expect substance along with the eye candy.
I repeat,...Special Effects ALONE do not make a movie.
"And why are you obsesivelly compelled to know, whether it be here or over on Younis's www.Singerlovein.com, who every poster's name actual name is??? What, are you going to look up us in the White Pages and call at odd hours?? You think us knowing that you're posting I.D is swright means anything or identifies or personalises you????"
It's got nothing to do with me putting my name up here, but I think that any poster that goes after another, even bringing his comments over from another site, is a PUSSY if they do it anonymously. and you keep dodging my question, because you don't want me knowing what your name at SHP is. But if you truly knew or even read my posts at SHP you will see that even though I like it, I almost alway point out its flaws and problems.
It is possible to like this movie you know..
"Ramping up the action and special FX will be the equivalent of spot lighting rabbits for kids and audience members who have low standards for content when it comes to their entertainment. But for the vast majority of movie goers, they expect substance along with the eye candy."
Then explain PIRATES to me. There is NO substance to those movies..Just cool special FX and really good action set pieces. That's all the 2 sequels are. You also have to remember that almost every reviewer praised SR at the time, for it's substance. I ask you, if you had Superman battling a supervillain and Lex Luthor and even kept the kid, do you honestly believe it wouldn't have made more money just because of a kid?
swright..
"Then explain PIRATES to me. There is NO substance to those movies..Just cool special FX and really good action set pieces. That's all the 2 sequels are. You also have to remember that almost every reviewer praised SR at the time, for it's substance. I ask you, if you had Superman battling a supervillain and Lex Luthor and even kept the kid, do you honestly believe it wouldn't have made more money just because of a kid?"
Not EVERY reviewer PRAISED Returns. Many major named critics came down hard on this film for its cumbersome pace and lack of substance and depth of characterization. At one time I had these negative reviews bookmarked, but then realized, "whats the point?"
This is the first occasion I wish I hadn't deleted them just so I could list them for your benefit.
Your argument and point is meaningless and invalid, and you well know it. You're dismissing the larger broader picture and in favor of your own opinion and view.
Objectivity isn't your strong suit when it comes to the subject of Superman. These kinds of debates are mindless so this most likely will be my last post. Everyone here seems more interested in snapping at each other's heels instead of being joined together by a common bond.
Disgust for Superman Returns
"Everyone here seems more interested in snapping at each other's heels instead of being joined together by a common bond.
Disgust for Superman Returns"
So in other words unless everyone agrees with you then you have nothing to add.
Jeez we just don't want anymore donner-ish supes movies. Can't we all get along now? lol...
"Your argument and point is meaningless and invalid, and you well know it. You're dismissing the larger broader picture and in favor of your own opinion and view."
Uh no it's not Jerry. I'm not dismissing the bigger picture. In fact I'm pointing it out to you. The bigger picture is more than just us fanboys. WE DON'T DRIVE THE MOVIE INDUSTRY!!! unless you are 15-24 yr old males (the ones they market to) we really can't effect the box office of a movie.
YOU are Dismissing the bigger picture. By not even acknowledging that the general public just wants to be entertained by these types of movies. They don't want comic book movie's that take themselves too seriously. They want, great action, great special effects, and then good story. IN THAT ORDER. Now you may prefer it differently because you may have different or better taste than the typical moviegoer, but not even acknowledging this IS dismissive. I am ackowledging that we all had our problems with this film (some more than others), but that the biggest is the Action element.
Like I said. Keep the kid for the sequel, and up the action and it makes more money than Returns.
But nice to know that if people don't agree with you, you react like a child and decide not to debate the issue.
swright, no fuckin idea
Swright is right it is about being entertained not these dumb ass fanboy issues. I can't tell you how many times i saw fanboys on various forums say things like SR was ruined for them because they hated the suit. Not the plot, the acting, the effects, the suit, that was all they cared about. If Singer delivers an action heavy and entertaining sequel you guys may have the same fanboy issues with it but the BO will probably be better. Look at Spiderman 3, fanboys are bitching up a storm about it yet the Gen public is entertained and it is making a ton of money.
LONG
LIVE
THE
COMIC
SUPERMAN.
but damn, nolan. What the fuck did you do the Joker?
"but damn, nolan. What the fuck did you do the Joker?"
I know it is bad enough he cast the GAY COWBOY to play him but he then made him look like a deformed MIME or something. I want the classic look for the Joker, Nolan is way out there with his look.
Oh well. I'll take a shitty looking Joker if he doesn't try to gas gotham in this movie. Don't copy an old movie like Singer, Nolan!
"Oh well. I'll take a shitty looking Joker if he doesn't try to gas gotham in this movie. Don't copy an old movie like Singer, Nolan!"
What do you mean Luthor's plan had nothing to do with crystals in STM?
I read a lot of "fanboys" bitching about more than just the suit. Did you forget the Razzie nomination?
And it was about Luthor and real estate, AGAIN
Like swright, no fuckin idea. They suck on the teat of Younis and his suckophants
"If Singer delivers an action heavy and entertaining sequel...."
No fuckin idea
It'll take more than that to win back the goodwill squandered by Singer.
Frankly, the only way to save Superman is to remove Singer. He has demonstrated his lack of understanding of the mythos.
The "real" fans of Superman seem to understand the equation, others who could care less seem happy to settle for the mediocrity that Singer has displayed first time around
"Then explain PIRATES to me."swright
Typical, no fuckin idea
I'd say the three likable (and much more bankable!)leads would have a lot to do with it for a start! It also helps if Johnny Depp's character is actually behaving like an enjoyable HERO, not moping about all emo and crying like a fag whilst spying on his ex and his illegitimate son who he abandoned.
Starting to sink in now???? Probably still hasn't.....
Instead of demanding to know who every poster's name is, take off your rose colored Singer Specs and get a clue!
"It'll take more than that to win back the goodwill squandered by Singer.
Frankly, the only way to save Superman is to remove Singer. He has demonstrated his lack of understanding of the mythos.
The "real" fans of Superman seem to understand the equation, others who could care less seem happy to settle for the mediocrity that Singer has displayed first time around"
For the millionth time, the Gen public don't give a flying fuck about the mythos of Superman or the kid, the suit, the land schemes get your head out of your ass. Give them action and entertain them that is all they care about. Is Spiderman 3 a monster hit? Yes it is. Are the fanboys having a fit about it? Yes they are. They care about shit that the Gen public does not, plus SR made more money than Batman Begins which is a fanboy beloved film. Shows you just how small the percantage of the audience you guys actually represent.
"I'd say the three likable (and much more bankable!)leads would have a lot to do with it for a start! It also helps if Johnny Depp's character is actually behaving like an enjoyable HERO, not moping about all emo and crying like a fag whilst spying on his ex and his illegitimate son who he abandoned."
Superman never cried in returns and Parker cried twice in Spiderman 3 asshole, Mary Jane broke up with him and he wept like a fucking baby. You were saying what about EMO in returns asshole?
The biggest problem with Singer's Superman is that the Donner continuity that he used is very outdated. It might have worked in its day but by today’s youth standards its lame as fuck and that’s the main reason they didn’t go see it.
Singer tried to recapture the past with his film, too bad the cash cow demo didn’t feel any nostalgia for it.
Donner Superman is lame, boring and gay as the kids would say.
People feel sorry for Peter Parker that’s the way his character is written to be, he’s the guy that you root for while Superman in essence is supposed to be someone you look up to, that’s the key difference you don’t seen to understand between the two characters.
If Superman like the recycled dialogue of Brando is narrating supposed to show mankind what they are capable of being what the hell is he doing in Singer’s film abandoning his knocked up girl for 5 years and coming back into her life as some super powered stalker home wrecker?
Yes in doing all this Singer was trying his hardest with all those plot ploys to make the audience feel empathy for Supes the way they feel for Spiderman but it didn’t work and the only audience members that probably felt anything for Supes were this fellow child support dodging dead beat dads.
There’s nothing wrong with a superhero crying, Hell Wolverine cried like twice during X3, and Bales’ Wayne was on the verge of breaking down when the League of Shadows burned down his house.
Give the general teeny bopper public some credit they at the very least are knowledge of the general internalizations of the big comic book heroes.
They know that Peter Parker is supposed to be a sensitive every geek, they know that Batman is supposed to be dark and haunted, they know that Wolverine is supposed to be a kick ass take names later kind of guy, and they know that Superman is supposed to defined by his high moral and ethical character, the two things he was not in SR.
Jesus fucking christ you all just go on and on and on...
Superman didn't cry in Returns?? Huh? Are you sure you even saw it?? If you did you must've nodded off like everyone else.
Routh's Superman is a sooky-la-la emo cry baby who spies on his ex and her bastard son, NOT The Man Of Steel. That title is currently held by a guy called Tom Welling.
Looks like Routh will have to bend over again to get a role of any significance. Even that probably won't help. You know how fickle the gay scene is.....
The owner of this blog probably doesn't even give a shit about superman returns anymore. lol
Hard to tell if Routh was crying in Returns because I had tears in my eyes at the time
The owner of this blog and AP have been owned so many times by me and others they are afraid to post. They all know that in 2009......
Superman will be back.
Restart
love to see this blog is dead
"Superman didn't cry in Returns?? Huh? Are you sure you even saw it?? If you did you must've nodded off like everyone else."
No he did not cry in returns not once. Had a sad look on his face a few times but that is all. Parker wept like a woman when MJ broke up with him now that is pathetic.
Singer is a FAG and Superman Returns was gay.
More action wouldn't have hurt SR's box office performance. I doubt it would have been magically profitable, but I believe the extra $50 million figure someone threw out. There's really no way to calculate what the box office might've been if they'd included, y'know, a non-sucky story.
There's nothing wrong with the franchise that getting rid of Singer won't solve.
- t
"Looks like Routh will have to bend over again to get a role of any significance. Even that probably won't help. You know how fickle the gay scene is....."
Grow up pal, what an ignorant thing to say. Not only are you a bigot but an idiot, Routh is straight and engaged to be married.
The only problem with the "more action" scenario, is basically, Singerman's writers aren't up to it.
The most memorable part, or action oriented part, was of course, the plane catch, yet that was about 98% lifted from the Abrams script, almost completely.
The top of the Daily Planet scene was again stolen from the Abrams script.
The two writers won a Saturn award by stealing the best parts of someone elses script.
To believe they can come up with a script on their own, especially one with more action, seems outlandish to me.
Where is Abrams, maybe he can write the script they can steal from.
Just posting to get us up to a nice rounded 250.
"For the millionth time, the Gen public don't give a flying fuck about the mythos of Superman or the kid, the suit, the land schemes get your head out of your ass."
Typical apologist, no fuckin idea!
As you've unintentionally pointed out there, that was one of Returns biggest problems...the general public didn't give a flying fuck about the kid, the suit, the land schemes or Singer's warped take on the mythos of Superman.
Like you said, they just didn't care for it much at all. Who would outside of the gay community?
"Superman never cried in returns and Parker cried twice in Spiderman 3 asshole"
Can someone post a link to that gif of Routh as Supes crying like a fag so this unimformed fuckwit will shut up please??
Christopher Reeve cried at the supposed death of Lois at the end of "The Movie" yet unlike sooky little Routh he was still a strong, confident hero who carried himself well. Routh on the other hand is a fag, emo cry baby. Peter Parker maybe a sook too, but I'm not sure Spidey is jackass
"Not only are you a bigot but an idiot, Routh is straight and engaged to be married."
...and if you believe that I have an autograph of his I'd like to sell you. Ask Younis about the fun the cast and crew had in the southern hemisphere's gay capital, Sydney. He'll take you to some nitespots as part of his Superman Returns tour
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love to see this blog is dead
yes, 250 comments on a single blog posting is a sure fire indication this blog is "dead." Hell most of the SR fanboard threads dont have this many replies so I wonder what you consider them?
Restart, you're a clown and you havent "owned" anyone here except yourself on occasion. You're the biggest loser with the biggest false sense of his own personal victories since the Iraq Information Minister was telling his people their army was crushing the US forces.
The only thing that's "dead" is any momentum a potential franchise of Superman films may have had after Singer got done raping him in SR.
"...and if you believe that I have an autograph of his I'd like to sell you. Ask Younis about the fun the cast and crew had in the southern hemisphere's gay capital, Sydney. He'll take you to some nitespots as part of his Superman Returns tour"
If i believe what dipshit? Lets see how far you are willing to stretch out your stupidity. Routh is engaged to be married and is straight those are facts. Please give me more dumb ass speculation on your part as to why he is GAY, further proving how much of a biggot and a retard you are.
"yes, 250 comments on a single blog posting is a sure fire indication this blog is "dead." Hell most of the SR fanboard threads dont have this many replies so I wonder what you consider them?"
LOL my man it is the same 5 or 6 people just bitching at eachother over and over. 250 comments means nothing when you factor all that in.
"Routh is engaged to be married and is straight those are facts."
How endearingly naive. Ever heard the expression "what happens on tour stays on tour"??
Ask the gay community of Sydney about Brandon Routh's memorable moments. They weren't onscreen..It's the worst kept secret in the NSW film industry.
"how much of a biggot and a retard you are."
"There's only one g in bigot, Lois"
And don't you love how Singer's biggest defender who wants to retain the status quo actually calls himself Restart. No fuckin idea
"Ask the gay community of Sydney about Brandon Routh's memorable moments. They weren't onscreen..It's the worst kept secret in the NSW film industry."
Man, Grow up seriously i get that you hated Routh and the movie but this is just SAD and pathetic what you are you saying here.
"i get that you hated Routh"
Took you long enough.
Do some research yourself if you want. Let me make clear there's nothing wrong with being gay, working in the industry I know heaps. What shits me is the moment it leaks and appears to do damage to the potential B.O. as if by magic, "the fiance" appears.
If Singer's so fuckin proud of being a homo, then he should have the guts to defend Routh's bisexuality, not pour water on it. It's no secret that Routh has been seen in the company of gay men all too frequently, both here in Sydney and by all accounts back in Hollywood too.
You are naive in the extreme if you think all your favorite action stars are what they seem behind closed doors when it comes to their sexuality
"Do some research yourself if you want. Let me make clear there's nothing wrong with being gay, working in the industry I know heaps. What shits me is the moment it leaks and appears to do damage to the potential B.O. as if by magic, "the fiance" appears."
You are embarassing yourself the woman that he is engaged too has been his Girlfriend FOREVER. When he was tending bar at a bowling alley she was his GF so knock this shit off already. You sound like a fucking crazy person. What is your deal anyway? Singer is GAY so you need to believe that Routh is gay too somehow. Why do you need to believe this, seek help pal.
Oh yeah by the way buddy i guess Hugh Jackman is Gay also even though he is married. Singer cast him in X-Men and he even played Peter Allen in the Boy from OZ who was in fact GAY, so using your logic Jackman must be GAY.
..the steel industry is gay, so are the railways. And I'll tell you who else is gay...Broadway!
Fuckwit, you're really going to try a strawman argument???? No Jackman isn't gay by all accounts. That doesn't alter the fact that Routh "likes it both ways"
You have to deal with the fact that lot's of people in long term "straight" relationships enjoy some "gay" fun on the side. Especially if it gets them cast in a big budget film! Jackman wouldn't need to supplement his audition with a little bum fun, he's talented enough not to need to go down that path. Other more desperate hopefulls on the other hand........
Let's make it to 300 and then post THIS IS SINGERMAN SUCKS!
LOL my man it is the same 5 or 6 people just bitching at eachother over and over. 250 comments means nothing when you factor all that in.
since everyone with the exception of like 3 people posts anonymously I'm curious as to how you'd bakc that statement up?
For those that say they had some gay fun in Sydney, show us the rumors. Or the reports of this happening. And don't give me the "Is Superman Gay" article.
Also, since when does having gay friends make one gay?
Finally, even if he happens to be gay What does that have to do with this role? Why is it such a big deal that an actor who plays Superman might be gay?
Hell Patrick Stewart has been rumored to be bisexual for years and it doesn't take away the fact that he's played two of the coolest characters on TV and FILM.
"You have to deal with the fact that lot's of people in long term "straight" relationships enjoy some "gay" fun on the side. Especially if it gets them cast in a big budget film! Jackman wouldn't need to supplement his audition with a little bum fun, he's talented enough not to need to go down that path. Other more desperate hopefulls on the other hand........"
You are the one that can't deal with facts. Routh is engaged to be married to his longtime girlfriend and you keep insisting that he is gay because Singer is GAY and you are clearly a bigot. Some of you people on here are disgusting. So because you hated Singer's movie you decide to paint him as a man who cast people for sexual favors. This is just pathetic it really is. Some of you are in desperate need of reality checks.
"Jackman wouldn't need to supplement his audition with a little bum fun, he's talented enough not to need to go down that path. Other more desperate hopefulls on the other hand........"
Oh yeah and your assertion that Jackman is no way GAY when he played a gay man in a fucking musical and Routh must be gay because some tabloid said so is retarded beyond words. Neither one of them are GAY PERIOD.
I like how the apologists have such a problem with the notion that pretty boy, emo, wrong make-up hissyfit, cry baby Routh may "swing both ways"
Typical, no fuckin idea
Who gives a toss? It's not like he's a real person anyway, and you're not going to see him again in anything of note anyway
"Who gives a toss? It's not like he's a real person anyway, and you're not going to see him again in anything of note anyway "
It's the haters that keep bringing it up...We just point out how pathetic you guys really are when you say stupid shit like that.
I mean by your math then everyone on HOUSE blew BS, and Hugh Laurie is Gay..
"I mean by your math then everyone on HOUSE blew BS, and Hugh Laurie is Gay.."
Typical, no fuckin idea.
You may not be able to swallow the idea that Wouth may swing both ways (or has done), but it is typically infantile of apologists to try and apply an equation that suggests therefore that anyone that comes into contact with Singer must be game. That's a nonsense and the sort of lame ass logic you'd come to expect.
More can be learnt from the Australian crew who made Returns and in particular well known Aussie gay sporting personality, Ian Roberts, who co starred as some speechless Luthor henchman.
A gay old time was had by all.
Man you all are a raving band of but Fuckers the way you go on about So and so is so gay. Man get a chick. Anyway this blog is dead I heard SSS/AP shot themselves when they realized the sequel is a go. Well that means.....
Man of Steel in 2009!
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All I have predicted has come true:
AP no longer posts ---->Check
SSS abandons Blog ---->Check
Superman Sequel on ---->Check
Superman wins Saturens->Check
Restart wins ---->Check
"You may not be able to swallow the idea that Wouth may swing both ways (or has done), but it is typically infantile of apologists to try and apply an equation that suggests therefore that anyone that comes into contact with Singer must be game."
There is not a shred of proof that says that he has. Little things like him being engaged seem to not register with walking retards like yourself. If he were openly gay i would have no problem with it. I have no problem with Singer being openly gay. You on the other hand are clearly a bigot and if Routh was openly gay you would hold that against him. Hell you won't shut up about it just because you heard some tabloid rumor. Typical behavior from ignorant people like yourself.
I havent "abandoned" anything. Truth is there's just nothing relevant going on with the film or any potential sequels talk which should tell you all you need to know about this franchise at this point. I've gotten windof a few interesting rumors lately but havent been able to corroborate them enough to the point where I feel comfortable posting them. Suffice it to say, if either of those come to fruition, the guy who's convinced himself that he's "defeated" all of us is in for a REAL bad day.
"I havent "abandoned" anything. Truth is there's just nothing relevant going on with the film or any potential sequels talk which should tell you all you need to know about this franchise at this point."
Singer just gave a series of interviews in which again he was confirming he is working on the sequel. They are writing the script as we speak. He said he plans to go to work on SR 2 after Valkyrie, which is what has been reported for months. WB is not going to decide anything until after they see Singers script. If anything they will cancel the whole thing and we won't see Superman again for a very long time. If you think they are doing a reboot in a few years i highly doubt it SSS. What confidence would WB have that would make more money than SR when it got good reviews and they promoted the shit out of it. If they bail on Singers sequel i highly doubt they will approve another big budget Superman movie for a long time.
The sequel is going to depend on the script. If they like it and it can be done financially and will allow them to make a decent profit from it, then they will go through with it. If they don't like the script then they will likely pull the plug.
"Suffice it to say, if either of those come to fruition, the guy who's convinced himself that he's "defeated" all of us is in for a REAL bad day."
I'm intrigued! :) :) :)
"What confidence would WB have that would make more money than SR when it got good reviews and they promoted the shit out of it."
Something tells me they'll be watching the new Hulk closely to see how the public responds.
Oh yeah, something else, by this point in the Batman franchise's history, we knew Nolan was coming back, ditto Bale and certain other castmembers and we even knew who the villain was going to be.
All we know about the proposed SR2 is that Routh wants to throw a few punches this time around. Yay. Or whatever.
- t
"Oh yeah, something else, by this point in the Batman franchise's history, we knew Nolan was coming back, ditto Bale and certain other castmembers and we even knew who the villain was going to be."
You only know who the villain was going to be because they came out and said it at the end of BB. We know that Singer is back and we also know most of the cast will be back.
"Something tells me they'll be watching the new Hulk closely to see how the public responds."
Yes per another rumor over at SHH. SSS may come out and deny it but since he has never broken any news before i think that is what he was referring too a few posts ago.
Singer just gave a series of interviews in which again he was confirming he is working on the sequel. They are writing the script as we speak. He said he plans to go to work on SR 2 after Valkyrie, which is what has been reported for months.
That's not exactly newsworthy, and I wouldnt exactly use it as proof the sequel is proceeding as planned. I've shown you guys almost verbatim quotes from Whedon on Wonder Woman and from Goyer on The Flash and we all know how that turned out.
WB is not going to decide anything until after they see Singers script. If anything they will cancel the whole thing and we won't see Superman again for a very long time. If you think they are doing a reboot in a few years i highly doubt it SSS. What confidence would WB have that would make more money than SR when it got good reviews and they promoted the shit out of it. If they bail on Singers sequel i highly doubt they will approve another big budget Superman movie for a long time.
I wasnt implying they're going the reboot route. Although I've learned a couple things while doing this blog. First thing is that there are a lot of people at WB who believe in Superman as a money making franchise but disliked where Singer went with him. I've spoken with a couple of them. They could really care less about critical acclaim since it's nopt a genre that survives on that, it survives on box office and peripherals. They believe the "right Superman movie" could do what SR didnt. Second thing I've learned is, that in Hollywood, things change, and mighty quickly.
Yes per another rumor over at SHH. SSS may come out and deny it but since he has never broken any news before i think that is what he was referring too a few posts ago
It has nothing to do with the Hulk as far as I know. Not sure why this would be dependent on that?What did they say over at SHH?
"That's not exactly newsworthy, and I wouldnt exactly use it as proof the sequel is proceeding as planned. I've shown you guys almost verbatim quotes from Whedon on Wonder Woman and from Goyer on The Flash and we all know how that turned out."
Let me understand you, the director of the film saying everything is proceeding as planned for the sequel is not newsworthy. Comparing those other projects to SR assuming it may suffer the same fate, that is not newsworthy SSS.
"I've spoken with a couple of them. They could really care less about critical acclaim since it's nopt a genre that survives on that, it survives on box office and peripherals."
Oh now you have inside sources over at WB. Are you in any way related to the nutjob that printed a fake letter he claimed was sent to him by Allan Horn and posted it at SHH, only to have it debunked? Considering you have never broken any news about the sequel, i call BULLSHIT on you having any inside info.
I don't think SSS ever said he had "inside info", just that he had talked to a few folks over at WB and he had heard some rumors he wasn't ready to repeat.
t-dawg
"I don't think SSS ever said he had "inside info", just that he had talked to a few folks over at WB and he had heard some rumors he wasn't ready to repeat."
If you are talking to people who are in the know at WB, that is the definition of inside sources. The fact that he is being so vague as to what it is he has heard along with the fact that he has never broken any news before leads me to believe he is not being honest.
Look, I'm not going to defend the guy, he can do that on his own but all he mentioned was that some execs at WB feel the same way he does (to some extent). I got the impression that was all they talked about.
Separately he said he'd heard a few rumors that he isn't completely confident in yet. If I heard something about SR2 from a WB exec, I wouldn't call it a rumor.
His blog is intended to be a non-stop bashfest of Singerman. He's given his opinions on news items, but to my knowledge he's never made a claim to be a movie news site.
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Hi I'm SSS. I have been just posted news saying the sequel isnt happening. I have interviewed my insider sources(maid named betty and the drunk on the road. Others like the assistant peon boy grip on Superman Returns said he hated the movie. But all my power will not stop the.....
Man of steel flys high in 2009!
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Surprised your still posting SSS. I know whatever rumor you have will wilt like a daisy in the winter's air when the sequel script gets done.
"Man of steel flys high in 2009!"
Typical, no fuckin idea
"The fact that he is being so vague as to what it is he has heard along with the fact that he has never broken any news before leads me to believe he is not being honest."
Well thank you Sherlock Holmes.
At least SSS doesn't post crap like "Editor Of DVD Extra Confirms Sequel" or "108 Year Old Co-star Believes She'll Be In Sequel in 2009" type crap which goes as "news" on other sites. I'm looking at you Mr Younis!
or "Clueless Producer HOPES Sequel Will Be Greenlit"
or "Superman Star Sells Signature To Survive"
or"Continued Success Of Smallville Baffles Warners Execs"
Sorry but the headline "Clueless Producer HOPES Sequel Will Be Greenlit" should of course actually be "Retired Hairdresser HOPES Sequel Will Be Greenlit"
Apologies for any confusion
Oh now you have inside sources over at WB. Are you in any way related to the nutjob that printed a fake letter he claimed was sent to him by Allan Horn and posted it at SHH, only to have it debunked? Considering you have never broken any news about the sequel, i call BULLSHIT on you having any inside info.
You need to reread my posts. I said I've talked to a few people at WB who arent happy with SR. I never said they were acting as an inside source for me or that they passed me the rumors I had heard. They've merely just expressed that there are quite a few people there who agree with the underlying theme of the blog and to keep it up. Apparently, there was quite a power struggle internally at WB in SR ever seeing the light of day in the first place.
The rumors I was given were passed on to me from other parties. And frankly, I'd be more than happy for a big news site to break the story since that would give me a bit more faith in them. Plus as you said, I'm not in the business of breaking news, just talking about it.
SSS, why not become another sites inside source and point them in the right direction if you are being told things that could mean the sequel isn't happening? I'm sure Variety would love to have that information.
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At least SSS doesn't post crap like "Editor Of DVD Extra Confirms Sequel" or "108 Year Old Co-star Believes She'll Be In Sequel in 2009" type crap which goes as "news" on other sites. I'm looking at you Mr Younis! "
The DVD guy was first reported by SHH. I don't see you trashing them....The Homepage would print SSS's news if it could be substantiated as a credible source. And the other part you quoted was from an interview she gave. They posted the entire interview, not just the part about the sequel.
actually the DVD guy news was from a post on the Bluetights forums that he made, and everyone picked it up and ran with it after that which piseed the guy off and he then backed off the statement to some degree.
also Singer was just tossed off the Logan's Run remake for WB by Joel Silver because WB was frustrated with his approach to the film. Can him losing the Superman gig be far behind?
Some rumors coming out of Warnern's are that Gough and company at Smallville have been given the rights to future movies.
This however, is just a rumor.
Though, it kind of makes sense. Smallville is a hit around the world, Singerman was not.
Welling is a commodity, with a large fan base, charisma and charm. Routh certainly is not.
Allisom Mack is an actress on the rise, while others are not.
It is just a rumor, but sometimes things just start that way.
Could get interesting.
Poor Routh, as someone said upthread, a no hit wonder.
where was that Smallville rumor posted?
"Though, it kind of makes sense. Smallville is a hit around the world, Singerman was not."
Smallville is a hit show by the standards of the secondary network that it is on. More people tuned into Lois and Clark years ago then Smallville because it was on a major network. How would you have liked that shows chances of being a hit movie? If SR was not a hit around the world, what does that make Batman Begins, which made even less?
"also Singer was just tossed off the Logan's Run remake for WB by Joel Silver because WB was frustrated with his approach to the film. Can him losing the Superman gig be far behind? "
That more than anything else I've read or seen could spell the end to Singer doing the sequel. Doesn't mean it still won't get made, with the same actors, but this is not good. But how close was this to being made anyway? I mean he had been wanting to do this for a while, but he was always being linked to other projects.
Oh and Voice, you are correct..That was my bad..When I first saw the story it was on SHH first. I don't go to Bluetights so I had no idea it was posted there first.
The rumors hit Warner's on the west coast mid day on Tuesday and hit the Time/Warner offices late/late Tuesday afternoon, and grew larger Weds morning in NY.
The rumors are from people associated with both DC comics and TW/Time/Warner.
They are just that, rumors.
Believe what you wish.
The rumors are slowly making their way onto the net, I am really surprised that SHH, and others such sites have not said anything as of yet, but they must be aware. If you can post there, I don't, you should probably ask why, or why not?
And to add to this, Tom Welling, of Smallville fame, has been spotted all over LA recently. Could mean nothing, or something. He didn't show for the upfronts in NY, but is spending his summer in LA, where the Smallville offices are. They may shoot in Vancouver, but they are run from LA, as is much of Warners' and the tv shows belonging to Warners'.
So far this is all rumor, so, again, take it for what it is worth. But, this, and all the other news with the cast, the failure of Singerman on the big screen, the success of Spiderman 3, Shrek 3 and Pirates 3, numbers that Warner's is quite envious of, by the way, and well............who really knows.
Madness?
THIS
IS
SINGER'S SUPERMAN SUCKS!!!!
"That more than anything else I've read or seen could spell the end to Singer doing the sequel. Doesn't mean it still won't get made, with the same actors, but this is not good. But how close was this to being made anyway? I mean he had been wanting to do this for a while, but he was always being linked to other projects."
You guys need to start posting links to this stuff. Singer just did a series of interviews at the Saturn awards and he said nothing about Logans Run. That is a project that he has had on hold since he started shooting SR. Singer said he is doing Valkeryie and his people are getting the SR sequel together. His plan is to do SR 2 after Valkeryie. There was no mention from him about Logans run so how is Singer not doing this project now suddenly breaking news.
http://www.mania.com/54841.html
I found one right here guys. All it says is he left the project months ago and now it is just being made official. This is not new especially since Singer said nothing about Logans Run when he was last interviewed at the Saturn Awards. If he had talked up this movie and then got fired today then that would be something to turn heads, but that is not what happened.
SINGERMAN IS DEAD, DEAD I SAY, DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"And to add to this, Tom Welling, of Smallville fame, has been spotted all over LA recently. Could mean nothing, or something. He didn't show for the upfronts in NY, but is spending his summer in LA, where the Smallville offices are. They may shoot in Vancouver, but they are run from LA, as is much of Warners' and the tv shows belonging to Warners'."
He lives in LA.
Welling actually lives in Vancouver, BC not L.A. He moved there shortly after he started working on SV and resides there pretty much year round.
Off season he lives in LA.
NO, Welling doesnt. He lives YEAR ROUND in Vancouver. Go over to HollywoodNorthReport.com or TomWelling.org and you'll see countless stories on their boards about people who seem him up there all summer long.
And I'm actually lost on this whole Smallville rumor thing??? You say the rumors were trickling down through Warner's office on Tuesday and Wednesday? I would really think we'd see something somewhere on the Net about this. A website like Dark Horizons would be all over that kind of rumor.
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WB is not doing a SV movie guys i love how many rumors get posted here with no links to back them up. Maybe you got a shot at getting Welling to play Superman but in a Smallville movie that is a real longshot.
"NO, Welling doesnt. He lives YEAR ROUND in Vancouver. Go over to HollywoodNorthReport.com or TomWelling.org and you'll see countless stories on their boards about people who seem him up there all summer long."
Not sure if this is 100% accurate but Wikipedia says this
"Personal life
Welling married his long time friend and model Jamie White on July 5, 2002, in Martha's Vineyard, after a four year relationship. He lives in Los Angeles with his family and dogs. During the taping of Smallville, however, he stays in Vancouver."
So if this is right him being in LA is the norm right now.
Welling owns homes in Vancouver, L.A. and Martha's Vineyard. Where he resides at any given time depends on where he needs to reside. It's as simple as that.
"Welling owns homes in Vancouver, L.A. and Martha's Vineyard. Where he resides at any given time depends on where he needs to reside. It's as simple as that."
Ok but i fail to see how him being seen in LA right now translates to him being in talks to be in a Superman movie as some dumbass attempted to leap to that conclusion.
"Ok but i fail to see how him being seen in LA right now translates to him being in talks to be in a Superman movie as some dumbass attempted to leap to that conclusion."
He said it "could mean nothing, or something." The point seemed to be as an addendum, a note that may or may not support the rumor that the fella said he heard.
At this point, anything is better than continuing that piece of crap we were fed last year. I have no idea how the Smallville team would approach a Superman film, but I doubt they'd have their Supes knock Lois up and disappear for six years while Lex is off scheming to manufacture more land. Singer really screwed the pooch with that horse shit.
With Smallville, at least their Lois is sexy, Lex isn't a lame caricature, and Clark isn't an emo pussy. Welling is a pretty big guy too. Get him in a gym for three months straight like they did with Routh and he'd be a fucking monster.
Smallville or no Smallville, I just want Singer gone.
Lol that caps guy made this blog explode with fury.
Yes, it's me. The caps guy. How ya doin.
"I have no idea how the Smallville team would approach a Superman film"
With guys behind the script for Spidey2 attached to SV I feel a hell of a lot more confident in them than what Singer and his cohorts could ever cook up
To the general public I'd have to say the cast of SV would have to be more associated with the Man Of Steel than Routh(who?)
"WB is not doing a SV movie guys i love how many rumors get posted here with no links to back them up."
Despite contradicting yourself at the end of your post, don't take it so literally....and could YOU post a link to where it states they AREN'T doing a SV movie.
What is the next chronolgical step after Smallville?? Surely a new Superman(Tom Welling) emerging in Metropolis for the new century ahead. Oh and with the "action" that was actually an afterthought on "Returns" So much of an afterthought Singer wants everyone to know that IF he does the sequel, there will be "action" in it this time. Anybody need any further proof as to why Singer must not be involved in anything to do with Superman??
A big screen continuation of SV sounds so ideal for a reboot to the Superman franchise that by going on Warners past form, there's no way they'd consider it!
"The rumors are slowly making their way onto the net, I am really surprised that SHH, and others such sites have not said anything as of yet, but they must be aware. If you can post there, I don't, you should probably ask why, or why not?"
Well, you see, there's the problem. I think Younis got a tour of the Returns set or something and ever since has been Singer's staunchest defender. I was foolish enough to d/load a podcast there ages ago and Younis himself and this other cracker were saying that "people who don't like the new costume don't get Superman" It really is that cut and dried there. Nothing is officially posted there that makes Singer's Supershitfest look bad, despite it's merit in it being actually newsworthy. Bosworth's Razzie nomination is a classic example of Returns news being censored on a Superman news page. Christ, even Trekkers are more balanced in their reporting about their franchise!
And on the other hand, those joke headlines printed above are not at all dissimilar to the drivel Younis considers "news" about Singer's sequel actually going ahead. It's no wonder so many gullible people post here adamant in the belief that Singer's been given the go ahead already. That is just poor form on Younis's part.
At least this site hasn't jumped to any conclusions as yet whether you like it or not you actually get to hear the not so rosey colored version of events here.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ibdf0b7dd533b3de61b48511fde1743c5
Warners have commissioned a live action feature of the Teen Titans??
A great post from another discussion about Returns (by me) which raises a couple of interesting points
"But if proof is needed that the homage to Donner line was nothing but a gimmick, the flashback to Smallville says it all. It was wastefully uneccessary for a start and contradicts "The Movie" by having young Clark wearing glasses on the farm as a kid. What was that about?? Did Clark actually have bad eyesight as a kid according to Singer, or was he actually "in disguise" at age 10? It's ludicrous. I hate to think how much did it cost to grow all that corn Downunder, then fly Singer over it in a private jet as a thrill just to stroke Singer's ego.
I think the Donner homage line came about because of the music. Like Christopher Reeve as Superman, John Williams' score is never going to be forgotten, or topped either. Singer may have dodged a bullet by reusing the music, but reusing Christopher Reeve's lines only proved that Reeve had delivered them better the first time round.
And don't get me started on the Pulitzer Prize winning Lois Lane!"
You'd think the suits at Warners would've shaken their heads watching the "Making Of" DVD and seeing the ego on display as millions of dollars can be seen being squandered in every area of production. They must've saved heaps by casting Routh who worked for scale and already is reduced to selling his autograph to get by. Poor kid.
"At this point, anything is better than continuing that piece of crap we were fed last year. I have no idea how the Smallville team would approach a Superman film, but I doubt they'd have their Supes knock Lois up and disappear for six years while Lex is off scheming to manufacture more land. Singer really screwed the pooch with that horse shit.
With Smallville, at least their Lois is sexy, Lex isn't a lame caricature, and Clark isn't an emo pussy. Welling is a pretty big guy too. Get him in a gym for three months straight like they did with Routh and he'd be a fucking monster. "
You obviously don't watch Smallville do you? Because if you had then you would have seen them completely assassinate Clark Kent's character for the sake of Lana Lang this year. Kissing her on her wedding day, and begging her to leave him AFTER they got married(even SR didn't have them actually kiss or him beg Lois to leave Richard). Oh and I guess you didn't see the part where they had Clark Kent almost kiss Lana Lang in HER GOD DAMN BEDROOM WHILE HER HUSBAND WAS RIGHT OUT SIDE THE DOOR!!!
Clark cries and whines about Lana Lang on every God Damn episode of Smallville..I love the show, but it's the one thing that gets on my freaking nerves.
"Did Clark actually have bad eyesight as a kid according to Singer, or was he actually "in disguise" at age 10? It's ludicrous."
I guess you didn't realize that that was supposed to be when he first started to develop some of his powers. It actually mirrors what they've done on Smallville...Clark was always strong, but everything else came gradually. That's what Singer was showing with the glasses. YES, Clark Kent had to wear glasses until that day. They even show him looking through his glasses from his point of view, and how blurry the image was. This was supposed to imply that his vision became perfect on that day.
^ I'm sorry but the Smallville and Singerman situations your speaking of are completely different. On SV, Clark knew Lana was married unwillingly to a fink of a man in Lex when they kissed. In Singerman, he was wooing her away from a good and supportive man who Lois freely entered into a relationship with on her own. Please dont be like the rest of the dolts over on SMHP and let Neal "I need a writing job badly, here's my business card" Bailey do your thinking for you.
"Please dont be like the rest of the dolts over on SMHP and let Neal "I need a writing job badly, here's my business card" Bailey do your thinking for you. "
So then what you are saying is that you support Superman hooking up with a married woman if she is in an unhappy relationship? Let's not forget that Clark had NO FUCKING EVIDENCE she was forced into the marriage. He had suspicions...nothing more. I don't give a shit who you are you don't kiss a married woman IN HER FUCKING BEDROOM. I'm sure you would be just peachy if that were to happen to you.
And your contention that Superman tried to take Lois away from Richard is fucking ludicras. They had ONE moment on the roof where they ALMOST kissed...that's it...He didn't do anything else the entire fucking movie to try and get her away from Richard.
And the one thing all of you haters seem to forget is that LOIS was going in for the kiss too. It's not like it was just Superman trying, they both almost kissed each other.
The situations are very similar, no matter how you slice it. Superman almost hooked up with a woman in a committed relationship and Clark Kent on Smallville DID hook up with a married woman before the final episode this year.
Your post just goes to show that you are a hypocrit when it comes to what you want to see out of Superman. In Superman REturns it's a travesty and an abomination to the character that he ALMOST kisses a NON-married woman....but it's perfectly ok for Clark Kent to kiss a married woman on smallville.
And finally, I often disagree with Neil A LOT. And he knows it. But this is one thing that I agree with him about. Superman/Clark Kent should not be kissing a married woman, regardless of the circumstances.
"The situations are very similar, no matter how you slice it. Superman almost hooked up with a woman in a committed relationship and Clark Kent on Smallville DID hook up with a married woman before the final episode this year. "
Wanted to add something to this..Not only did he go after a married woman, he went after a PREGNANT married woman. Yeah, that's just peachy, but Superman in Superman Returns was just a horrible person...cut me a fucking break
^ Lana wasnt pregnant in the episode where she kissed Clark, in fact she was never pregannt to begin with, but everyone found out she "lost" the baby a few episodes previous to that.
swright, needs to take a reading comprehension course. Let's make this clearer for your remedial ass. A marriage (or any contract for that matter) made under durress or coersion isnt legal anyway, so provided Lana is still alive the marriage would be annulled, meaning it happened. Clark, who is not yet Superman, found out about that in the episode where he kissed her.
So as much as you and the other butt pirates over at SMHP want to try and equate this situation to the one in SR where a sleazy, fully grown Superman is stalking and tried to kiss a woman who was freely engaged to a man she actually loved and THOUGHT she had a child with, it's not even remotely the same thing.
Although I cant say I really blame any of you for the confusion seeing as how the do's and dont's around kissing a woman surely arent anything you've ever experienced before.
"^ Lana wasnt pregnant in the episode where she kissed Clark, in fact she was never pregannt to begin with, but everyone found out she "lost" the baby a few episodes previous to that.
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Clark very clearly tried to break up her marriage on the Day of the wedding. He hooked up with her before her marriage, while he still thought she was pregnant.
"So as much as you and the other butt pirates over at SMHP want to try and equate this situation to the one in SR where a sleazy, fully grown Superman is stalking and tried to kiss a woman who was freely engaged to a man she actually loved and THOUGHT she had a child with, it's not even remotely the same thing. "
Lana loved Lex asshole...She even admits it before the wedding. She just said that "she thought loving Lex would be enough, but it wasn't." She was pregnant with the mans child as far as she knew at that time. LEX DID NOT FORCE HER INTO MARRIAGE. Lionel did. And that has to be proven in court in order for the marriage to be considered annulled or illegal. Until that time it's legal, and their kissing is adulterous.
Also, it cracks me up how much you attack me just because I am a member of a Superman fansite, because you know damn well you are too, and I am willing to bet that you post there.
"Although I cant say I really blame any of you for the confusion seeing as how the do's and dont's around kissing a woman surely arent anything you've ever experienced before. "
Ahhhhh yes, typical uninformed hater bullshit...When beaten in an argument, insult the person so it takes away from the fact that you are wrong and were beaten down like your mom from her pimps pimp hand.
People like you give posters like Voice of Reason, and sepharih a bad name because they know how to debate and argue intelligently without resorting to childish insults.
Good ol swright goes in hard to defend Singer/Younis and Bailey again
Typical, no fuckin idea
Swright, you jackass. If Returns is supposed to be a Donner homage, what the fuck are you comparing young Clark getting his powers to Smallville for? I seem to remember baby Clark lifting the truck 5 minutes after crashing to Earth in the Donnerverse which Returns is supposed to belong.
Typical behaviour for one brainwashed by Younis & Bailey like yourself. Trash Smallville at every opportunity and all praise be to Singer. And why do you post here as swright & Restart?
"Until that time it's legal, and their kissing is adulterous."
What are you a puritan or something? Did your Daddy run away with somebody else when you were little?
Let it go, the marriage was a sham, no matter what Neal Bailey thinks. You want it to be proved in court. Sheesh. Are you 12 years old?
i liked routh but everything else in superman returns was a bunch of recycled shit.
" If Returns is supposed to be a Donner homage, what the fuck are you comparing young Clark getting his powers to Smallville for? I seem to remember baby Clark lifting the truck 5 minutes after crashing to Earth in the Donnerverse which Returns is supposed to belong"
Do you even read my posts? If you had you would have seen that I said, he was always strong but that his other powers were manifesting themselves. That's what Smallville did, and it's probably what Singer had intended to show. Tell me moron, why would Singer purposefully show the blurred vision through the glasses when he was hovering over the barn floor then if it wasn't supposed to show that his supervision just kicked in?
"What are you a puritan or something? Did your Daddy run away with somebody else when you were little?
Let it go, the marriage was a sham, no matter what Neal Bailey thinks. You want it to be proved in court. Sheesh. Are you 12 years old? "
LOL....God your a fucking clueless moron. Let me say this slowly so you can understand....WE. KNEW. THAT. THE. WEDDING. WAS. A. SHAM. CLARK. DID. NOT. Therefore, he was doing something morally wrong. For any man to do, much less Superman. It's fucking hilarious how you completely ignore this for Smallville (and by the way, if you saw my posts on the homepage you would know I'm a huuuge Smallville fan, it's just this one thing that royally pissed me off) and yet tear into Singer for having Superman and Lois ALMOST kiss each other. They both ALMOST did it. Superman never begged Lois to leave Richard, but clark begged Lana to leave Lex AFTER SHE GOT FUCKING MARRIED on Smallville.
Your a hypocritical piece of shit, and you can't even see it.
"And why do you post here as swright & Restart? "
LOL...I guess since you are retarded you would suspect that anybody who posts here, must be posting under different names. Anybody with deduction skills better than a monkey would know that we aren't the same person.
You talk a lot of shit. If you have such a problem with the HOMEPAGE, why not just go over there and tell them? I know you are already a member...It's probably because you are a pussy, and only attack the page when you can do it anonymously.
What the hell... lets make it to 400.
332 comments on a film that was released an entire year ago. Plus doesn't really seem to be building up a sequel...
Absolutely not one of you can say you have a life...
Let's discuss the star wars prequels next. so who actually thinks those piles of crap are any good?
I've been rewatching them lately on HBO (I watch them a lot, but they are fresh in my mind right now), and Here's my critical view on the Star Wars prequels
Episode 1 = Some really cool lightsaber action and that's it...It's a boring plot for a Star Wars movie (taxation of trade routes? Really George?) and that is the worst crime. I don't even mind Jar Jar all that much.
Episode 2 = Half good (Obi Wan storyline) Half god awful (The romance plot). God the writing on this one is 12th grade fanfic level.
Episode 3 = Very Good. Lot's of action, Padme is a side character, and very good pacing. Best beginning to any of the Star Wars films (including a New Hope). Definitely the best of the trilogy, but it's not better than any of the original trilogy. It's equal to ROTJ and ANH, but not better, and it's no where near the quality of Empire.
Have you seen the trailer for the upcoming CGI TV show? It looks like it could be really good.
Welling owns homes in Vancouver, L.A. and Martha's Vineyard. Where he resides at any given time depends on where he needs to reside. It's as simple as that.
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Welling should get Routh to be the pool boy at one of his homes, the dude could use the work after he's finished with the boonies comic con tours trying to sell his autograph.
Who ever said Pirates was going to have legs; its drop was even higher than Spiderman 3’s. It looks like Knocked Up could be its spoiler much like The Devil Wears Prada was Superman Returns.
"Who ever said Pirates was going to have legs; its drop was even higher than Spiderman 3’s. It looks like Knocked Up could be its spoiler much like The Devil Wears Prada was Superman Returns."
That was me who said that and i am surprised actually by how much it has dropped. I mean 2 got shitty reviews and the word of mouth was amazing. Very puzzling why Pirates 3 seems to be not nearly as well received as 2. Spidey 3 is WW the biggest hit of the 3 so even though domestic it is way off the first 2, WW it is massive.
SV has been VERY poorly written since season four. Lana needs to die NOW (but I know she never will, she's gonna haunt the series for the duration), it's like Rosenbaum just doesn't care anymore and Welling looks bored.
All that stuff aside, I'd give my left nut for a SV-based Superman movie if it meant no more Singer. As someone else wrote, Gough and Millar wrote Spider-Man 2 (the only one of the Spidey movies I really liked) so I'd have no hesitation to see their big screen Superman starring Tom Welling.
Smallville
Season 1-6
Clark : lana I love you but i cant love you
Lana : clark i love you why do you push me away.
And you complain about Returns.
the sequel will be much better then the above in 2009!
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Swright dont feel bad these denialist are too stupid to realize much of anything.
"Swright dont feel bad these denialist are too stupid to realize much of anything."....ReTard
Gee, that'd make you feel better, sympathy from the ReTard. Good to see ol swright ranting and raving and thinking he knows who everybody is. Look at swright's postings here. Talk about paranoid
Why would anyone give a shit about what swright thinks of the Star Wars prequels? He does further display his total lack of film appreciation, if any proof was needed
No Teen Choice Awards and now no MTV Movie Awards for Superman Returns?
Well if Time Warner ever wants to see a huge return at the box office on their iconic comic book hero they better figure out how to repackage and market him fast cause the way things are going now the kiddies just don’t give a fuck about Singerman and if they did happen to see SR they're probably wondering where the hell Lana and Chloe were.
"Why would anyone give a shit about what swright thinks of the Star Wars prequels? He does further display his total lack of film appreciation, if any proof was needed"
LOL holy shit are you saying Episode 1 and 2 are good films? You need fucking subtitles on at all times to understand what Jar Jar is saying. Hayden Christanson's acting in Episode 2 made Routh look like Brando.
As someone else wrote, Gough and Millar wrote Spider-Man 2 (the only one of the Spidey movies I really liked)
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A Brett Ratner directed Smallville feature written by Gough and Millar; that would be money in the box office for Time Warner.
Love him or hate him but The Rat has a reputation for fun summer popcorn action films (Every thing that SR was not) along with a proven box office success record and carries a lot more clout with the MTV crowd than Singer could in his wildest dreams, plus a Smallville film would already have the cash cow 12 to 24 demo base of both genders in its pocket to begin with.
The only problem would be to get someone like Brett Ratner on board. Time Warner would have to invest a minimum of around another 200 million dollars for him on production cost and they might be uneasy about that after the debacle that was SR.
Also Tom Welling’s services as the Man of Tomorrow would be a lot more costly than nobody Routh’s.
So the question is will Time Warner roll the dice again on Supes in hope of netting huge numbers with a continuation of a up to date, hip, cool and sexy Smallville version of Superman that can resonate like Spiderman does with the Teen People/MTV Awards crowd or does it let Singer go forward with his Donner take on The Men of Steel again and hope that the 40 year olds will once again try to relive their youth?
If they did that then SV would be off the air next year or the year after that depending on how long they want to do the show. Plus Singer did X2 which made a lot more money than X-Men. Like it or not his track record is good with comic book movies. It is not hard to believe that he has convinced WB that he has learned from his mistakes with SR and will deliver them a kick ass sequel.
none of you have ever touched a titty except for you mom's!
"LOL holy shit are you saying Episode 1 and 2 are good films?"
I wasn't, no. swright said he didn't mind Jar Jar and the second film was half bad or some crap. Yeah, I know it's too fuckin funny to even try to take him seriously.
But that's your demographic for Returns supporters right there:
Homosexuals and Jar Jar Binks apologists
"It is not hard to believe that he has convinced WB that he has learned from his mistakes with SR and will deliver them a kick ass sequel."
Frankly, it's VERY HARD TO BELIEVE Singer could convince anyone other than Steve Younis that he actually has a clue about Superman.
It really has become so desperate that people are willing to "wish" the sequel into existence. A "kick ass" sequel too, of course (All repeating the gospel according to Younis)
Notice how the apologists' line is drifting from Returns originally being a "masterpiece" and beyond any and all criticism, to now admitting that the film has "mistakes" and issues.
"....let Singer go forward with his Donner take on The Men of Steel again and hope that the 40 year olds will once again try to relive their youth?"
He couldn't even deliver on that. All the phony homage touches were SO lame and SO forced they literally fell off the screen with ever increasing dull thuds.
All Singer did for us 40 year olds was tarnish our memories of a much superior film.
And no matter what ReTard or swright want to tell you (same guy), Clark Kent DID NOT need glasses until his powers kicked in. That's something Singer's dreamed up as yet another ill conceived addition to the mythos. Can anybody remember Clark needing glasses in early Smallville(apart from the obvious "gag" episodes)as swright claims??
The only thing I can take away from Singer's revision of young Clark is that in the Singerverse Clark wears glasses as a disguise otherwise locals would recognise him as Superboy. The 30 million dollar Superboy flashback sequence (where Superboy has to lift something heavy)was obviously left on the cutting room floor with other overblown and nonsensical sequences such as the even more ridiculous "Krypton Discovered" opening sequence.
Christian groups were also concerned at news that Lana Lang was to be played by a famous female impersonator
"But I love a Superboy!" director Bryan Singer was heard to comment
"The only thing I can take away from Singer's revision of young Clark is that in the Singerverse Clark wears glasses as a disguise otherwise locals would recognise him as Superboy."
Then you are a fucking idiot. Everybody else that watched the movie noticed the blurry vision when he looked through the glasses. Singer was saying that he NEEDED the glasses for a bit. And on that day his vision cleared up and he got his supervision. And you missed my point about Clark Kent on Smallville (but that's nothing new as you have a 4th grade reading comprehension level). Clark Kent on Smallville developed his powers in his teens. The only one's he had at the beginning of the series were speed and strength. He got his invulnerability during the pilot and his XRAY vision a few episodes later. Heat vision in season 2, Hearing in season 3.
But keep up the personal attacks on me. Everyone sees you for what you trully are, a pussy that feels like a big man when there are no consequences for his actions.
MTV Awards are aimed at the group of teens that SR was suppose to draw in and make it a successful franchise again! Do you think teens really give a rat's ass what some almost comatose critic writing for some moronic rag says? They do not!
Teens make or break movies these days, which is why Spiderman and POC are making billions, it draws the teen viewers, SR did not. It just made it to $200 million after 5 months, POC is already there, because teens go to see it.
30 and over may go see a film once, but it is teens that will go and see it 3, 4,5 times or more!
MTV Awards are a big deal, Jack Nicholson and Johnny Depp would not have been there if they weren't!
I was surprised that SR didn’t at least a MTV nom for best spoof. It surely succeeded in bastardizing Donner and Reeve’s Superman the movie.
I was surprised that SR didn’t at least get a MTV nom for best spoof. It surely succeeded in bastardizing Donner and Reeve’s Superman the movie.
"MTV Awards are a big deal, Jack Nicholson and Johnny Depp would not have been there if they weren't!"
Yes and No....Jack Nicholson would not have been there if he didn't know that he had already won. MTV tells the big stars like Jack when they have won, and their award is usually first or second so they can get the award and leave. I don't remember seeing Jack after he won. But then I didn't watch it the entire time.
I do agree though that Teens drive the industry. It's why a movie like the second Pirates and get drubbed by the critics and still make tons of money. Teens don't care about anything but fun and funny films. Give them a movie with a bunch of action and fun and they will go and tell all their friends to go.
If teens drive the industry then Time Warner would be crazy not to take advantage of Smallvile’s fanbase.
The LA Times a year ago even had an expose about this very subject and in the article when they
interviewed a group of teens about the upcoming summer films,
the agreement among the teens was that they were less then enthusiastic about “Superman Returns" The costume was criticized for not being as "cool" as the X-Men or Spider-Man outfits and the Superman story was actually called "lame" and came up short in comparison to Spidey.
The bottom line is that
the Donner inspired SR was not hip enough to draw in the kids of today and that’s why it failed.
Who cares about why young Clark wore glasses in the flashbacks in SR? Those were the most pointless scenes in a pointless film. If anyone can tell me exactly why we needed to see him growing up in a movie that wasnt an origin raise your hand? You cant, it was just so Singer could rub one out to Donner's film again by trying to ape it.
"Notice how the apologists' line is drifting from Returns originally being a "masterpiece" and beyond any and all criticism, to now admitting that the film has "mistakes" and issues."
I am not an apologist, i did not think the film was good or bad i thought it was alright. I have some friends that loved it to death and get pissed at me when i try to bring up it's flaws. I am just saying Singer has a good track record and it is not hard to believe that he has convinced WB that he can fix what some people felt was wrong with SR in the sequel.
Singer’s track record shows that if you take all of his past work into consideration the guy just isn’t able to do a film that isn’t mud peddled in themes of alienation, prejudice or isolation.
Singer got very lucky with the X-films even though he clearly has stated that he has no love for the comics because the X-Men in its comic medium are a metaphor for all the aforementioned things.
The point is that Singer isn’t ever going to be able to make a Superman movie about the characters we love and have an adventure in the fictional universe we know, because as a trapped artist of his own ego he isn’t capable of making films that are not some sort of translated allegory about being gay, prosecuted or all alone in the world.
For a Superman film to ever be on the level of Spiderman or Pirates its main underlying theme must be of an epic stylized romanticized escapism, something that Singer knows little about.
"Singer was saying that he NEEDED the glasses for a bit."
Exactly. WHY?? As pointed out again and again it was just another needless Singer addition.
And how on earth can anyone suggest that Singer "has a good track record" especially when it comes to Superman? They gave the guy a seemingly limitless budget and creative free hand and he wants people to give him a second chance....and there will be more action!! Sheesh
I hear REtard is proclaiming some sort of "victory" over me? I leave this place to lead a "life" and he thinks he runs the place??
Singerman Peeps is and always WILL BE a steaming pile of elephant turds.
"he isn’t capable of making films that are not some sort of translated allegory about being gay, prosecuted or all alone in the world."
Great post.
Like I said, oustide of the gay community and Jar Jar Binks lovers, I can't think who else Returns was meant to appeal to
Now I can see why swright gets it....young Clark needs glasses as a youth because as a heterosexual character Singer implies that there is something wrong with him. When he later "comes out" as a gay icon in Returns he is empowered with abilities far beyond those of mortal men...like taking it in the eye, lifting things, taking it from behind from Luthor, wearing a rubber fetish suit, running away from hetero relationships........
...oh and now I see Singerman Returns is a give away on Blu Ray!! Buy a new Blu Ray player and they'll throw in a copy of Returns for NOTHING!!
Wow, should help the uptake of HD DVD no end!
Now I can see why swright gets it....young Clark needs glasses as a youth because as a heterosexual character Singer implies that there is something wrong with him. When he later "comes out" as a gay icon in Returns he is empowered with abilities far beyond those of mortal men...like taking it in the eye, lifting things, taking it from behind from Luthor, wearing a rubber fetish suit, running away from hetero relationships........
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Ummm... not exactly, the translated allegory of Superman Returns parallel to Singer’s life according to a interview he give to MTV News:
Singer: I think I've always felt like an outcast. I was an only child. I was adopted. I was the only Jewish kid in my neighborhood… Even as a film director, you feel like a bit of an outcast. It's lonely at the top [He laughs.]… but sometimes when it's all over, or even in the middle of it, you do feel a bit alone and burdened, and some of that translates in the picture {Superman Returns}… "X-Men" films, for instance, are about tolerance, and this film is about isolation and relationships.
Warner's closet of animated/comic-to-live action projects is quickly assuming Imelda Marcos proportions -- with TEEN TITANS, WONDER WOMAN, THE DARK KNIGHT, a SUPERMAN sequel, JUSTICE LEAGUE, HE MAN, SUPER MAX (a Green Arrow movie)and whatever else I'm forgetting already in the mix.
Above my friends is from Aint-it-cool-news. Once again proving a sequel is on its way. When are you going to give up your foolish crusade you have already lost sss. AP is gone most people who post support me that a sequel is coming. You must bow to reality and know that.......
In 2009 Superman is reborn.
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Go ahead call me retard but i once again owned all "denialists". If Aint-it-cool-news, wikipedia, answers.com, cnn, aren't good sources I don't know what is.
So is anyone else here naked right now or is it just me?
"Go ahead call me retard"
Okay, thanks Retard. You neglect to mention that the gist of the article is NOT ALL THOSE PROJECTS can possibly get the go ahead.
You do the math ReTard
"not exactly, the translated allegory of Superman Returns parallel to Singer’s life according to a interview"
Who gives a fuck what Singer reckons? What is sad is someone would want to drag out an old interview with Singer. Singer clearly has NO idea, hence why a young, hetero Clark would need glasses which signifies that there is something "wrong" with him
"Okay, thanks Retard. You neglect to mention that the gist of the article is NOT ALL THOSE PROJECTS can possibly get the go ahead.
You do the math ReTard"
OK I will if i have 7 sources that say a sequel is still a go and you have no sources just conjecture then you equal an idiot. Even someone as stupid as you should realize that WB wants to cash in on the comic book phenom....so wait for.......
Man of Steel vs. Brianic in 2009!
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Boy Denialist are dense. Watch as I predict the morons behavior. First he will insult me then he will come up with no concrete source the sequel is canceled. Dam I am a god!
"Man of Steel vs. Brianic in 2009!"
Who's Brianic? Shouldn't that be Bryanic?
The sequel hasn't been cancelled jackass, it still hasn't been greenlit
Who gives a fuck what Singer reckons? What is sad is someone would want to drag out an old interview with Singer. Singer clearly has NO idea, hence why a young, hetero Clark would need glasses which signifies that there is something "wrong" with him
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The point of the post wasn't to say that Singer knew what he was doing with Superman. It was to legitimate the fact that he is incapable of doing Superman justice because he’s too wrapped up in himself to understand the true essences of character.
Seriously take a chill pill. I like you hope that Singer get's the pink slip.
"Seriously take a chill pill."
Point taken, many thanks! I must admit I just couldn't see how that interview actually explained Singer's motivation, only highlight his tenuous grasp of the subject matter. Entirely the point of it!!
Keep the rage!
Didn't Clark Kent wear glasses in the comics when he was a kid?
Could have sworn I remember that he did.
No
I see Routh made a public appearance for the Reeve Foundation, with long hair!!
Now the poor kid can't even afford a haircut!
"Didn't Clark Kent wear glasses in the comics when he was a kid?
Could have sworn I remember that he did."
No but in the comics Lana never married and got knocked up by Lex while clarks Mom was a state senator either.
Lana never got knocked up by Lex in or out of the comics.
"Lana never got knocked up by Lex in or out of the comics."
Oh yeah that's right he injected her with drugs to make her think she was knocked up. Point being SR is a mess with the comics and Smallville in many ways is an even bigger mess. Hell the 2nd biggest character on the show, Chloe they just made up she was never a part of Clark's life in any version of Superman.
What difference does Lana or Chloe make to the Superman franchise? It's not like either would even be in the films? For that matter, what difference does Smallville make to the film franchise? Smallville didn't turn Superman into a deadbeat dad. Singer did. Using a tv show's deviations to rationalize those of a film doesn't change the fact that Singerman was a horrid mess, the recovery from which would be nothing short of a miracle without completely rebooting the whole kit and caboodle.
I could give a rat's ass that Smallville made Martha a state senator, that Chloe is a freak with powers, or that Lana shacked up with Lex. What-ev-er! Lex is still just a misguided prick, Lois is still just working at a tabloid, and Clark still hasn't started any training yet.
Criminal mastermind Lex, ace reporter Lois, and Earth's protector Superman are years down the road.
"What difference does Lana or Chloe make to the Superman franchise? It's not like either would even be in the films? For that matter, what difference does Smallville make to the film franchise? Smallville didn't turn Superman into a deadbeat dad. Singer did."
Did you even watch SR? How the fuck is Superman a deadbeat DAD when he had no clue that Lois was even pregnant asshole? This whole idea that SR pissing all over the comics is unforgiveable is a joke. Did Superman EVER give up all his powers just to be with Lois in the comics like he did in Superman 2? No he did not. SV pissess all over the comics in a million ways and you people want to hold SR feet to the flame on that issue while championing SV. What the fuck is Lois doing in SV and why do her and Clark basically hate eachother? I thought Clark was supposed to love her at first sight. I'd say that is a major plot point in the Superman mythos that SV ignored. Get your head out of your collective asses, please.
I agree with the above pulling the lana/clark relation out for 6 years is the most retarded way to keep sexual tension. They should kill off Smallville once and for all.........so in 2009!
The real superman can fly again!
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Wow almost 1.5 months without a update. My prediction is coming true. With me being so right about so many things makes me an information god!
Nobody cares anymore
"SV pissess all over the comics in a million ways and you people want to hold SR feet to the flame on that issue while championing SV."
What the FUCK are you talking about? You're the one who keeps bringing up Smallville and making ridiculous comparisons with characters like Chloe, who by your own admission, isn't even a part of the mythology. You're the one using meaningless characters in SV as points of contention, as if that's supposed to mediate the character assault Singer delivered in Singerman. Why not compare SR's visual effects to Superman and the Mole-Men while you're at it? Make it sound even better.
Singerman gave us a SuperKid in an otherwise plagiarized story that was dull and listless. Cool!
Singerman gave us a "hero" who abandons Earth for five years and isn't man enough to tell the woman he just slept with that he won't be back for dinner. Coward.
Singerman gave us a Lois Lane who forgot she was so in love with Superman, she jumped into bed with another guy weeks after Superman disappeared and then proceeded to write an article for why nobody needs him anymore. Bitch.
Singerman gave us a Lex Luthor who's obsessed with radioactive land, the creation of which would kill billions of people. What?
Singerman gave us a peeping tom who uses his powers to spy on his former girlfriend and her fiancé with superhearing and x-ray vision. Creepy.
Singerman gave us a wimpy "super" man, who couldn't fight his way out of a phone booth never mind changing in one. How exciting.
Remind me again what the purpose was of all this stupidity?
Last I checked, this site was called Singer's Superman Sucks, and for good reason. If you want to bitch about Smallville, I'm sure there's quite a few blogs out there for how much Smallville sucks and pisses all over the mythology.
"What the FUCK are you talking about? You're the one who keeps bringing up Smallville and making ridiculous comparisons with characters like Chloe, who by your own admission, isn't even a part of the mythology. You're the one using meaningless characters in SV as points of contention, as if that's supposed to mediate the character assault Singer delivered in Singerman. Why not compare SR's visual effects to Superman and the Mole-Men while you're at it? Make it sound even better."
You either can't read or just decided to ignore what i said. I am talking about the people on here that act like SV is perfect and then bicth about SR not being enough like the comics. If that is not you then fine we have no problems but the ones that do say that shit i have a problem with. So Superman having a kid is worse than making up a main character and putting Lois in Smallville where oh yes Clark actually can't stand her. Lois you know the love of his life for a thousand years in the comics, yeah that Lois. Lex is married to Lana, Martha is a senator and Clark has little to no interest in being any kind of s Superhero. Shit the Green Arrow was more heroic than Clark. He spends more time whining about Lana and not being normal than anything else. So don't give me this character assasination shit in SR either. Hating SR is fine but saying you hate it because it is not like the comics and then go on and on about SV being great is pathetic. Again if that is not your take on it then fine.
Because, however lame the SV episodes are within a season, there are at least a couple that give us a true Superman in action and the Clark and Lois and Lex scenes how they should've played out in the last movie!
The creators can't go all the way with the characters thanks to WB's stupid plans for the movie. Clark and Lois is a no no, and Lex is still struggling to surpass his father's legacy. I admit, Clark not going on with his "training" is annoying and makes no sense, but SV is still more entertaining in the long run than watching "Stalkerman Whines" for 3 hours.
"but SV is still more entertaining in the long run than watching "Stalkerman Whines" for 3 hours."
Yeah you would rather have Clark Stalk Lana and whine about her for going on 7 seasons now.
I wonder if any of you that hate Superman REturns because he used his Xray vision on Lois feel the same way because Clark used HIS TELESCOPE to watch Lana?
My guess is probably not.
Clark using a telescope to look at someone in their driveway is a wee bit different from him hiding in the bushes and using his X-RAY vision on her when she's inside of her house.
My guess is your a dolt.
No it isn't he is spying and being a perv either way.
"So Superman having a kid is worse than making up a main character and putting Lois in Smallville where oh yes Clark actually can't stand her."
What on earth has Smallville got to do with Superman Returns being shit and a failure???? Smallville has it's own take on the mythos to be sure, but it's definitely been greenlit for another season...and btw viewers like Chloe, as opposed to the kid in Returns. Big difference right there. Also the Clark/Lois relationship must be too layered for you to understand. Clark certainly doesn't HATE Lois as you seem to imply.
Go and whine about Smallville elsewhere please because Chloe is a perfect example of adding a character to a franchise (like they did way back with Jimmy Olsen) and it being successful.
Jar Jar Binks and Superman's bastard retard son in Returns are examples of characters introduced that nobody likes.
This is just more Younis & Bailey brainwashing that believes Singer is a God and Returns is a masterpiece that is beyond reproach and Smallville is crap. Wake up sheep!
...and check out Routh's new photos with his long hair....and talk about a beard(fag hag) on his arm!!
You could hardly say that as a couple they look "comfortable" together. Well not as comfortable as Routh looked lifting Singer!!
Yeah because making fun of someone's physical appearance will make up for the fact of Smallvilles suckatude. BTW loser Mutant X ran for 3 years...getting renewed does not equal quality just poor management. At least Singer got it right. Let me pine away for Lana and kiss her right before she will get married......
Go Roth in 2009!
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400 posts where is SSS with his really bad news. Are you afraid SSS? You know I owe you and this entire blog. Run away to mommy did you like AP?
CAPS GUY RETURNS!
LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE CREATED! A SHIT STORM OF INSANE NET NERDS RASING THEIR PITCH FORKS AGAINST EACH OTHER! HUZZAH! MY MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED.
"Jar Jar Binks and Superman's bastard retard son in Returns are examples of characters introduced that nobody likes."
Yes by nobody you mean a small faction of fanboy clowns that bitch about everything under the sun. Like Smallville is this beloved hit. It is on the CW for shit's sake, seen by about 3 mil people a week. It is not a hit show on a major network.
up until the last 2 weeks of this season Smallville was still averaging almost 5 million viewers. That sucks compared to the big networks, but for the CW (which is probably equal to FX and a bit of a step up over SciFi right now) it's pretty good. Second highest rated show on the network and the highest rated scripted show.
oh and I've never had sex. Ever.
"Smallville was still averaging almost 5 million viewers."
You're forgetting it's international profile, you hick
Would you people like to have a blog entry for discussing the pros and cons of Singerman verses Smallville? It appears to be a topic that just won't die.
It will die like this webpage. If you noticed SSS promised news or updates and we got neither. This is great news but it just proves how right I am.
Superman is back in 2009!
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Smallville sucks dick. On that show you have a wimpy stalking superman. 6 years pining away from a girl he wouldnt know what to do with if he did got her. And I ask all you smallville lovers would you want you girl hanging out with clark like he did in season 1-2. Or makeout with her before you wedding?
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