Some rather interesting tidbits from around the internet about the goings-on with Singerman, the DVD, Warner Brothers, etc. that dont quite deserve their own postings, but are none the less still intriguing to read.
- Apparently there are some BIG problems with some of the DVD's in the "Superman: Ultimate Collector's Edition" Box Sets. And we mean besides that DVD they shoe-horned in there with Singerman on it to try and help boost it's sales numbers. [DigitalBits]
- Singerman's box office apparently wasn't the only thing that we were expecting to be "bigger." Those Hi-Def DVD's show EVERYTHING, don't they? [Defamer]
- You know how Singerman having a kid in the film really sucked? Well Singer doesn't care, and he wants to give you a whole lot more of him in the sequel! Better hide your musical instruments! [Rotten Tomatoes]
- An amusing review of the Singerman HD DVD: "Bryan Singer's 'Superman Returns' is instead best described as an unapologetic cinematic love letter to Richard Donner's 1978 blockbuster 'Superman: The Movie.' Never have I seen a movie so in love with another movie -- I'm sure if Singer could have somehow CGI'd Christopher Reeve and Kate Bosworth together, and had them spawn bald children that looked like a cross between Margot Kidder and Gene Hackman, he would have done it." [High-Def Digest]
- OK, so which one of you anonymous commenters is a TV critic for The Boston Herald? [BostonHerald.com]
Some rather interesting tidbits from around the internet about the goings-on with Singerman, the DVD, Warner Brothers, etc. that dont quite deserve their own postings, but are none the less still intriguing to read.
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1 – 200 of 261 Newer› Newest»So some geek actually has the time to hunt this down, and then you link to a blog to say it has merit?
HUH...this is nothing new guys. Studios do it all the time...And I actually think it's kind of sneaky, but it also makes sense. There are so many ways to advertise without actually paying anything on the net, that you would be stupid not to take advantage of it if you were WB's.
If it were any other movie, or if it were for the CR Superman films there would be no problem, and it would be considered sneaky good instead of sneaky bad.
LMAO, the news for this movie just keeps getting worse.
Oh and if this were any other character for superman, apologists wouldn't be trying desperately to defend Bryan Singer's plagiaristic "movie."
First let's talk about the apologist excuse: All studios do it.
Since when? Youtube is still very young and this is actully the first time in my internet life I've ever read of a major studio resorting to ridiculous tactics on internet video services like youtube to desperately shill their bad excuse for a superman film.
Go ahead and try and tell me Donner would be doing this right now to sneakily promote his movie. I very much doubt it. Why do I? Because I believe donner actually has some faith in the intergrity of his work and wouldn't feel the need to resort to this kind of deceptive shit.
Youtube is still very young and this is actully the first time in my internet life I've ever read of a major studio resorting to ridiculous tactics on internet video services like youtube to desperately shill their bad excuse for a superman film.
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Because internet geeks haven't taken the time out to look for crap like this before.
Actually if you watched the video the guy even says that this is getting more and more common and that he is pointing out that WB's is doing it for Superman Returns.
Can somebody explain to me how putting SR in a box set called the ulitmate superman collection(you know, every major motion picture...and one or two of the early studio films) is called shoe horning?
Why would you keep SR out of a Superman film collection DVD?
Because it's nothing but a "vague sequel" as singer calls it.
Isn't your god, Bryan Singer the one who wanted to ERASE Superman III and IV with his movie? Now he's trying to put it in a box with them and sell it? God, apologists, please open your eyes.
It's a lame business tactic to sell bad sequels with the originals.
Here's your proof if you don't believe me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4DIVqtnTjQ
Isn't your god, Bryan Singer the one who wanted to ERASE Superman III and IV with his movie? Now he's trying to put it in a box with them and sell it? God, apologists, please open your eyes.
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Please, Singer is not my God. And I don't give a shit if he gets rid of Superman 3 and 4. They were both horrible films.
It cracks me up how you haters love to call out everything that WB's does with this movie as lame or wrong, yet if they were to re-issue the batman collection I'm sure Batman Begins would be in it and you guys wouldn't say shit.
I went to this Supermanreturnsdvd you tube site and I had to subscribe just to view the trailer. So maybe what they are getting are people subscribing but not actually going through every video..Just watching the trailer for the DVD.
But I guess nobody thought of that.
When did the Batman Anthology come out? Did it come out at the same time as Batman Begins or before?
Apologist, I'll say it again. Studios shoe-horn bad sequels into dvd box sets because they're desperate for sales. You wanted to know why, and I told you, Apologist. You are now educated and that's all that matters.
Ok So I went and checked this out, and this guy has completely distorted what is going on IMO. You have to subscribe to view the trailer and once you do you have access to other videos that were uploaded 1, 2, 3 weeks ago. The views on these videos are around the 8000 that he mentioned.
So, unless I am wrong with how I'm reading it, people are subscibing to the main video trailer and aren't watching the rest. This makes sense.
Oh and can't you turn off the comment section of the vids? I've never uploaded a video, but it seems to me that you can do that. So why wouldn't WB's do that with these video's? Because there are some nasty comments as usual and if I was trying to be sneaky I would turn off the comments so people couldn't read what the people who didn't like the film are saying.
actually I took it to mean they were subscribing to it but not watching anything.
"Apologist, I'll say it again. Studios shoe-horn bad sequels into dvd box sets because they're desperate for sales. You wanted to know why, and I told you, Apologist. You are now educated and that's all that matters."
SR is not viewed as a bad sequel. Movies that make 200 mil at the BO and get good reviews are not viewed by and large as shitty films. When people open their ultimate collector set, the first 2 things most people will go for are SR and the Donner cut. Nobody is buying this because they are excited about deleted scenes in Superman 3 and 4. The 2 worst reviewed and least successful films in the whole series.
SR is not viewed as a bad sequel. Movies that make 200 mil at the BO and get good reviews are not viewed by and large as shitty films. When people open their ultimate collector set, the first 2 things most people will go for are SR and the Donner cut. Nobody is buying this because they are excited about deleted scenes in Superman 3 and 4. The 2 worst reviewed and least successful films in the whole series
That's a really good point...Putting SR in the box set helps sell the box set. Which I don't think the Donner Cut would be that big of a draw for Joe Schmo fan. There is one extra behind the scenes look at S1 and some stuff for S2 and the other 2..But nobody is buying this for 3 and 4 extras. So it makes sense for both SR's numbers and the box set numbers to include the most recent Superman film.
Which as you said, was critically lauded for the most part and only really enflamed the comic book community.
the Batman Anthology did come out while before or around the same time as Batman Begins got. But look at the channel. It only has 7 Subscribers. The guy isnt cheating. But really if you are so idiotic to think that warners isnt cheating your kinding yourself. Nobody is going to join youtube just to subscribe to an advertisement. Plus i looked at most the subscription and most them dont have any favorites and the subscription are all the same. As for well a bunch of critics said it was good & it made 400 mil. so it must be good. Well Pirates made over a billion and alot critics didnt like it. So what dose that mean. The only reason why it reached 200 mil at all was because of IMax. Face it, the majority People just dont care for this film and very much doubt a sequel with a wimpy mime Superman & son. is going to attract anyone other then the Singer loving Returns Fan. Sure the comic book community is pissed. But my father has very read a Superman comic in his life and even he think its sucks and demishes the character.
"As for well a bunch of critics said it was good & it made 400 mil. so it must be good. Well Pirates made over a billion and alot critics didnt like it. So what dose that mean."
I will tell you exactly what it means Pirates is perceieved as a great and wildly successful film. Critcs did not love it but the general audience sure seemed to. SR made plenty of money at the BO and the critics did like it. So if you think the Gen perception is this movie was a piece of shit you are seriously deluding yourself. As i said most buying the ultimate collection will immediately go for the Donner Cut and SR, those are the 2 biggest selling points for WB in the whole ultimate collection.
Someone please tell me why sould i buy the Ulimate Collection. Because theres really only 4 movie in it that are about Superman. 5 if you count the Donner cut. I mean i could buy the Donner cut and Christopher Reeve's Collection and have all the Good Superman movies. Yes 3&4 are not that good. But i would rather watch that then SR. Who cares if its not in the same box and if i have pay a little more not to own SR. Then so be it. The only reason you have this Ulimate collection is find a way to sell a product alot people dont care for. Especially with the all extras beside the DVD.
"Yes 3&4 are not that good. But i would rather watch that then SR."
I see you have started drinking early tonight.
I see you have been on a bender for a whole week. Watching traffic go by or seeing a Turtle cross the street is more exciting then that piece of crap, Superman Return. Bozo.
As i said most buying the ultimate collection will immediately go for the Donner Cut and SR, those are the 2 biggest selling points for WB in the whole ultimate collection.
The biggest selling point for the Ultimate Collector's Editions is the fact that you can get all of those DVD's for a reduced price in addition to all the extras that come along with it likr the commentaries and documentaries and then the Fleischer/George Reeves stuff.
Why would SR and the Donner Cut be the "biggest selling points" for the Ultimate Collector's Edition when you can buy both of them separately?
Nobody who buys that set is thinking one bit about seeing a boring rehash of STM with a superboy in it. They're buying because they're either completists collectors who even bought supergirl because they're that devoted to superman stuff or big Reeve or Donner fans.
Apologists saying people'd want to buy it for Superman Rehash is the same as some fool saying they'd buy the batman Anthology for Batman and Robin.
I actually don't hate superman return, but the way the apologists hold it up as a holy devine thing only intellectuals who spend hours masterbating to singer's pictures can appreciate is so disgustingly pretentious that I start to hate it more and more. It's an AVERAGE movie at best. What I understand about this site is that it doesn't pretend to hate it, it does. It wants superman done different just like batfans wanted batman done differently after the shit that was schumacher (or burton, depending on who you talk to on the net)
Frankly, I personally don't give a fuck about how bad batman's movies are and after returns I didn't really give much of a fuck about how badly done superman was, but I would like this singer guy to open a comic.
What would be so wrong with opening a superman comic? It's 2006... batman was restarted. So what I'm wondering is why are so many apologists against what this site stands for?
Returns is done. It's on dvd, if you own it, enjoy.
Now we're supposed to focus on the future and the question is about what you want to see...
Superboy? Or Superman?
So what I'm wondering is why are so many apologists against what this site stands for?
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Because more often than not this site personally attacks both Singer and Routh.
I actually don't hate superman return, but the way the apologists hold it up as a holy devine thing only intellectuals who spend hours masterbating to singer's pictures can appreciate is so disgustingly pretentious that I start to hate it more and more. It's an AVERAGE movie at best.
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Speaking as an apologist, this is not how I see Singer nor my view on people who don't like it. I don't know what site's you are going to but the ones I go to only have a few that are in love with it no matter what. They are the extreme, just like people who hate the film so much, and by extension apologists, resort to personal attacks because our views aren't the same as theirs.
Because more often than not this site personally attacks both Singer and Routh.
Please tell me where I've "personally attacked" both Singer and Routh on here? Other than saying Singer made a bad movie and doesnt know too much about Superman, I dont think I've ever said anything "personal" about the guy??
As for Routh, I've gone out of my way to point out that I dont dislike the guy and think he's more of a victim of circumstance. And I called him to the carpet for looking like a schlub at one awards show but I've never taken a shot at him personally. Yeah I posted some of those "rumors" floating around about him, but it was more out of amusment of watching WB scramble to reverse the PR than anything else.
If you've got some examples of where I've "personally attacked" then I'd love to see them.
Nobody cares. If you think fans will just stand by and let singer ignore the source material and create superjesus and give him the omen kid as offspring, you have to be either extremely dellusional or Singer himself.
So say what you want about fans taking things to extremes, but you do realize of course that this is an extremely divisive film we're dealing with at this time. It's not like Singer delivered say... a batman begins kind of film. I'm sure it has it detractors too but frankly in my experience it was acknowledged as a good start for the new batman.
Singerman is a whole different story. From what I can see on different sites there are two extreme camps with moderate fans in the middle. I can totally understand why comic superman fans are pissed. Now.. Apologists I think exist for Singerman Rehashes simply because of either nostalgia for donner, desperation movie superman in any form, or they were moved by the jesus passion of the christ stuff. A lot of kids these days confuse graphic violence with quality, too much mtv I guess... Never mind the fact that singer doesn't really understand superman or his world AT ALL.
I don't know how anyone can find this very unoriginal cliche movie "best ever" and such but so be it, opinions are like ass holes.
Oh hello sss, sorry. Above comment was for the apologist, not you, but you know that. lol :O
"I don't know how anyone can find this very unoriginal cliche movie "best ever" and such but so be it, opinions are like ass holes"
I don't think it's the best ever, but I also don't think it's the worst thing to ever happen to Superman. I admittedly don't read the comics regularly and the bulk of my Superman experience has been the Donner films. So of course that would color my view of this film. But why is that a bad thing? We are just looking at the movie through different lenses. Why is one view better than the other?
I liked Superman Returns. I wasn't thrilled with the kid, but I'm willing to see what happens..And I didn't like the spying on Lois. That being said it's still a well made film in my eyes. And like I've said before, when I watched the 3 hour documentary for Superman Returns I really got a sense that Singer loves this character. But like me, his main influence was the film not the comics. That doesn't mean he doesn't get the character, it just means he's not as informed as he should have been.
One funny thing in the documentary was the suit creator calling word for word what people would say about the suit, and what was wrong with it. Before any picture was released. They knew the size of the S would upset some people among other things..
"Why would SR and the Donner Cut be the "biggest selling points" for the Ultimate Collector's Edition when you can buy both of them separately?"
Because why the hell would you pay 40-50 bucks for just those 2 movies when for 70$ you can buy the Ultimate collcetion and get everything. Those are the 2 newest products in the Superman mythos and they are the 2 big sellers in the collection.
"The biggest selling point for the Ultimate Collector's Editions is the fact that you can get all of those DVD's for a reduced price in addition to all the extras that come along with it likr the commentaries and documentaries and then the Fleischer/George Reeves stuff."
I hope you are not trying to say people are buying this collection for documentaries about George Reeves. 9 people out of 10 have never heard of the guy.
SSS is right you make no sense. Why would SR and the Donner cut be the "biggest" reason people are buying the Ultimate Collection? If you wanted those 2 DVD's you could buy them separately.
The biggest selling point of the ultimate collection is the fact that you can get all 14 DVD's for that reduced price, which is what I believe SSS pointed out. Then he listed the documentaries, commentaries, Fleischer/Reeves stuff as things that are in the box set you cant get other places.
Exactly. Nobody's purchasing it for a bland sequel/retread. That's just idiotic. If they want it and not the classic films and such, get it seperately. Waste of money, but hey, at least you have something to put your drinks down on.
"SSS is right you make no sense. Why would SR and the Donner cut be the "biggest" reason people are buying the Ultimate Collection? If you wanted those 2 DVD's you could buy them separately."
Ne he isn't right i agree with the other poster. You are not going to pay 50 bucks for those 2 movies when for 70 bucks you get those films and everything else. That is what makes the collection so attractive. Superman 1-4 everyone has seen those movies and knows that 3 and 4 suck. However putting in the 2 newest additions to the Superman franchise along with everything else at that price is what makes it a great deal.
You guys are nuts, take the Donner cut and SR out of the ultimate collection and see how many WB sells. You think anyone gives a fuck about deleted scenes in Superman 3 and 4. Only the hardcore fans care about all the documentaries that are being put in.
I am really not getting what some of you guys are saying here. Wouldn't you think the average consumer walking bye the collectors set would say, "Look at that you get the new Superman movie plus the Donner cut and all this other stuff for just about 70 bucks". I really don't see how people would view the set as a good buy if those 2 movies were not in there.
the attractiveness of the Ultimate Collection is the cumulative price for being able to get all those movies & features. I dont think one movie over any other makes people more inclined to buy it. If SR wasnt in there, people would still be just as inclined to buy it b/c it's still a heck of a deal. You can probably say the same for any one disc in there. Generally these box sets are geared towards fans/collectors. The "general DVD consumer" doesnt usually buy box sets.
"If SR wasnt in there, people would still be just as inclined to buy it b/c it's still a heck of a deal."
Not a chance come on they are giving you the 2 disc SE of the movie in a set that costs 70$. That alone is 30 bucks in some places.
"The "general DVD consumer" doesnt usually buy box sets."
Only because they are usually priced to high. This is a great deal and i agree that the Donner Cut and SR make it seem to be an even better deal.
"Not a chance come on they are giving you the 2 disc SE of the movie in a set that costs 70$. That alone is 30 bucks in some places."
a big part of the appeal of the box set is the nostalgia of the Reeve films. I dont think the general public cares as much about the SR discs. Let's face it, they didnt fall all over themselves to come see the film this summer, and to most people Reeve is still the man. To them, getting the SR discs is probably just an added bonus to owning the Reeve films on DVD.
If your someone who loved SR, then I guess your logic applies to buying the set, but dont project fan logic onto John Q. Public.
"I hope you are not trying to say people are buying this collection for documentaries about George Reeves. 9 people out of 10 have never heard of the guy."
First off There are many many people who do know about the guy. There was even a movie that came out about him just this year. Not everybody on the this planet was born after 1980 and even alot of them have seen the 50 tv show. 2ed Your getting 4 movies with the Reeve set. Not 2. Sure 3&4 are not good. But in there own chessy way they are watchable. And i have to say S.S.S is right. The question isnt how well would the Ultimate Edition sell without Superman Returns. But how well Superman Returns would sell without the Ultimate Edition.
"a big part of the appeal of the box set is the nostalgia of the Reeve films. I dont think the general public cares as much about the SR discs. Let's face it, they didnt fall all over themselves to come see the film this summer, and to most people Reeve is still the man. To them, getting the SR discs is probably just an added bonus to owning the Reeve films on DVD.
If your someone who loved SR, then I guess your logic applies to buying the set, but dont project fan logic onto John Q. Public."
Goes both ways though, you are applying your dislike for the film and putting that on the public by saying they are indifferent to SR in the boxed set. If it was just about the nostalgia of the Reeve films they would have just released the Chris Reeve collection and left it at that.
"To them, getting the SR discs is probably just an added bonus to owning the Reeve films on DVD."
Actually to most people Reeve made 2 great Superman movies and 2 really shitty ones. Superman 3 and 4 are not selling many collector sets.
Most people I know didn't care for it. "It's too boring and depressing."
So when they ask me at the store which superman dvd to get for christmas, i tell them to get the donner cut.
Overall, yes the real selling point for the set is Reeve's classics. Even though 3 and 4 aren't as good as the last too, they have Reeve portraying superman, which is worth every cent just to watch the master at work. Even so, richard Pryor fanatics might be interested in superman 3 to see him and lol maybe mark pillow has some fans... who knows.
Compare it to rocky. Say that some nobody stars in a rocky Returns movie and they include that in the ultimate rocky collection. It'd seem like an obvious attempt to get more sales for that piss poor immitation of the classic rocky. I'd not be jumping over customers eager to buy it for a Rocky ripoff, that's for sure...
"Actually to most people Reeve made 2 great Superman movies and 2 really shitty ones. Superman 3 and 4 are not selling many collector sets."
True Superman 3 and 4 are really just thrown in there and added a couple of features to it. I was shocked to learn that Superman 4 got a commentary on it. What the hell can they talk about on that. It bombed so bad it killed the series for 20 years.
"Compare it to rocky. Say that some nobody stars in a rocky Returns movie and they include that in the ultimate rocky collection. It'd seem like an obvious attempt to get more sales for that piss poor immitation of the classic rocky. I'd not be jumping over customers eager to buy it for a Rocky ripoff, that's for sure..."
Rocky 1-4 are all really good movies, Superman 3 and 4 were flat out awful. There is more appeal in the set for SR because of the lack of quality of Superman 3 and 4.
It's called Superboy Begins.
"There is more appeal in the set for SR because of the lack of quality of Superman 3 and 4."
Only the hardcore Reeve fans give a shit about the extras on Superman 3 and 4. I didn't love SR but i am not stupid, i know more people are excited about SR in the collector set than Superman 3 and 4.
Quality my ass. Returns, like 3 and 4 is being stuffed in there to desperately sell by catching some of the wind the classic superman movies will likely create from nostalgic buyers.
It's very much the same that would happen if a new rocky were made twenty years from now starring some soap actor and it dissapointed the studio.
"Quality my ass. Returns, like 3 and 4 is being stuffed in there to desperately sell by catching some of the wind the classic superman movies will likely create from nostalgic buyers."
Man don't be an idiot. Superman 3 and 4 bombed at the BO and the critics hated it. SR made 200 mil and was reviewed well. SR is a much bigger selling point for the boxed set than 3 and 4 it is not even close.
Wow how amazing an achievement, compared to Superman 3 and 4, returns is the better film. Is that all you have to say?
The intent is what we're discussing. Not only was Superboy Begins as a film aping the original movies but now is using them as a means to sell itself on dvd.
"Wow how amazing an achievement, compared to Superman 3 and 4, returns is the better film. Is that all you have to say?"
In the context of some retard trying to tell me SR is no bigger a selling point for the boxed set than Superman 3 and 4 yeah that is all i have to say because it is an idiotic statement.
It's friggin gone with the wind
lolz
"In the context of some retard trying to tell me SR is no bigger a selling point for the boxed set than Superman 3 and 4 yeah that is all i have to say because it is an idiotic statement."
What's really idiotic is saying WB isn't trying to desperately get more sales for its ripoff by putting it in a set alongside the reeve films and the films it supposedly replaced. It's simply a retarded business tactic they like to use.
"What's really idiotic is saying WB isn't trying to desperately get more sales for its ripoff by putting it in a set alongside the reeve films and the films it supposedly replaced. It's simply a retarded business tactic they like to use."
The only business tactics that are retarded are the ones that fail and all signs seem to say this boxed set is selling well.
This is off topic but anyone else dissapointed in the Donner cut of Superman 2? I mean it was really good don't get me wrong but i still like the Lester version better.
It is what it is. A historical restoration of what was intended to be the sequel to superman the movie.
I can't stand it when the kids online don't understand this.
Goes both ways though, you are applying your dislike for the film and putting that on the public by saying they are indifferent to SR in the boxed set. If it was just about the nostalgia of the Reeve films they would have just released the Chris Reeve collection and left it at that.
Who said I disliked SR?? I didnt think it was bad. I'm merely aghast at how some people think it's somehow more of a selling point than the classic Reeve films. Saying that people didnt go out in droves to see SR isnt "hating" on the film either, it's the truth. We were all expecting better from it.
SR means very little to the general public at this point, maybe in 20 years it will mean more but it's still all too new. Despite how cheesy Superman III and IV were, people still find Reeve and to a lesser extent Kidder and Hackman endearing in those roles. Those films are like the Star Wars or Rocky series, where even if the last couple sucked (Rocky IV was a "rah! rah! USA, Cold War, piece of crap BTW) overall the overwhelming feeling of nostalgia endears people to the entire series. And the behind the scenes stuff on those is gold, even if it's one of the bad ones, which generally fanboys are a LOT harder on then most regular people.
It's rather obvious that the reason SR is even in the set with those is to try and boosts it's sales by giving it to those people who are buying the other films out of nostalgia. Since to a vast portion of the population Reeve is the definitive Superman and anything else is just a remake. Many people are set in their ways like that. The Reeve films are part of American pop culture and a proven commodity, they surely don't need SR to sell.
"I can't stand it when the kids online don't understand this."
Excuse me buddy i am 26 and i understand plenty. I get that it is an unfinished movie. I am just saying i can't put it ahead of the Lester version because of what i felt it was lacking that the lester version had.
"Those films are like the Star Wars or Rocky series, where even if the last couple sucked (Rocky IV was a "rah! rah! USA, Cold War, piece of crap BTW) overall the overwhelming feeling of nostalgia endears people to the entire series. And the behind the scenes stuff on those is gold, even if it's one of the bad ones, which generally fanboys are a LOT harder on then most regular people."
Rocky 4 made a ton of money in fact it was the biggest hit of all the Rocky's. Superman 3 and 4 are not in any way a part of americana they just aren't, they are seen as really shitty films. You can't say they are like the SW movies when they bombed at the BO. People love the Reeve Superman 1 and 2 movies, nobody cares about 3 and 4 and rightfully so.
That's great, could care less whether you like it less than lester's. I'm just making you aware of the circumstances and why it's the way it is. If you know about all the hell donner went through and how unconventional something like this is, to restore a lost movie as hobbled together as it is, but still appreciate lester's more comedic version more then that's fine.
Whatever.
He's right you don't hear any Rocky fans ever have anything nice to say about Rocky 5. There is no nostalgic feeling about that movie because it is beyond awful, same as Superman 3 and 4.
"That's great, could care less whether you like it less than lester's. I'm just making you aware of the circumstances and why it's the way it is. If you know about all the hell donner went through and how unconventional something like this is, to restore a lost movie as hobbled together as it is, but still appreciate lester's more comedic version more then that's fine."
I am well aware of what he went through, none of that changes what was on the screen. People were waxing poetic as to how this version will be the definitive Superman 2 and i just did not feel that way.
"Who said I disliked SR?? I didnt think it was bad. I'm merely aghast at how some people think it's somehow more of a selling point than the classic Reeve films."
Why would that surprise you, it is the newest Superman movie and it made 200 mil at the BO. Everyone has seen the Reeve films, many who did not see SR in theatres will buy it on DVD.
"Why would that surprise you, it is the newest Superman movie and it made 200 mil at the BO. Everyone has seen the Reeve films, many who did not see SR in theatres will buy it on DVD."
Exactly it is like if all the SW movies were in a boxed set coming right off the heals of episode 3 coming out. Is Episode 3 better than say Empire Strikes Back, hell no. However it would be brand new therefore generate more interest in the public.
I'm the public and could really don't have any desire to see stalkerman you guys.
"I'm the public and could really don't have any desire to see stalkerman you guys."
You should buy hooked on phonics for christmas.
So there is a movie coming out called Epic Movie that is like Scary movie..and guess what they parody at the end of the trailer..It's hilarious..
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1458909704
So there is a movie coming out called Epic Movie that is like Scary movie..and guess what they parody at the end of the trailer..It's hilarious..
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1458909704
sorry about the double post guys..computer is fucking around with me tonight.
Ok...How many of us would be saying that Superman 4 is a selling point if they had put this scene in?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC00OjEIYls
Seriously....This is the biggest WTF? in all of the Superman movies including SR.
Well it's better than superbaby. I'll definitely pick that up. Returns I thought was stupid, silly, and way to dependent on the original movies. Read the comic, singer.
No, Fuck the comic.
But it's the reason superman exists. Donner's movies are old and were made for a different generation way back when. It's time to move on.
Look the Donner cut & Lester cut are both is great for different reason. But the Lester cut is alot easyer to fallow. Donner cut feels very disjointed even tho it has some great scenes. As for Superman 3&4. There not very good movies. But i still willing to buy them because they are so chessy its funny and second because they have Christopher Reeve in them. I dont care for Singer, Routh or Superman Returns. Mainly because its just a bad remake/requel/rehash of Superman the movie play by a guy who can bearly act. Wow Routh had 3 pages of dialog. Wow hes the next Orsen Wells. Why watch a movie that imitates STM. When you could just watch Superman the Movie.
I hate this movie. Not just because it spits on the comics, but because of what it's done to the fanbase.
It's divided. One side, Comic Loyalists, the other side Singer Apologists.
Both will never stop wasting time fighting online while in their mom's basements. It's rather pathetic.
However I do understand why comic fans make a site like this. What has singer done? He's shown more affection for old superman movies than the source material, given superman a superboy who likes to run around with garbage baskets on his head, and put himself in a position to make more of this stuff with less money. Even apologists have to see this is a rather odd way to do the new (old?) superman for 2006.
Fact to me is he didn't really make a superman movie, but more of a STM/passion of the christ hybrid, with a superkid as a bonus.
So of course this site clearly doesn't think singer's story's for them and wants a different superman movie.
One of the failings I see in Returns as I watch it seems to be how it tried to be everything... but ultimately ended up being nothing. On one hand, a story about a lonely alien who discovers he fathered a kid. On the other hand, a rehash of superman the movie with shots directly copied and dialogue quoted. On the foot, a chick flick with a typical love triangle situation that everyone has seen a million times. Oh and lastly I almost forgot lex luthor's in the movie trying to sell some land or something stupid like that. What's missing in all of this? Yeah, Superman.
Not just the reeve superman, the other one, that comic book one. Where was he? Not in this movie. And that's what is dividing us. I think that if you're familiar with the comic superman this was truly not a fun experience... As a movie about lonely alien guy discovering he has a kid, I can see why people do enjoy that. Singer's not completely incapable of creating some good moments.
It's in the big picture that I personally think this film fails. It ignores the title character's loyal fans. It's a very predictable plot setup (You just know from the start when the lonely alien guy or lonely whoever says that they are depressed about being the last something etc, the movie will deal with them learning of an offspring or sibling. I've seen it so many times already. It was actually used in the cartoon show I think when superman discovered supergirl during his visit to krypton's remains.)
The kid, what a cutie, but too obviously just a plot device. Where is this planned to go? Does the kid realize he's the next superman? What? It's dropped completely once the "I'm not lonely anymore" story line's over... It's handled like an afterthought. Superboy might as well not have been in the movie since he just tosses a piano and then does nothing more of value or interest except complete the the "I'm so lonely" set up.
I have nothing left after the movie finishes but to wonder "why was this made?" what is it trying to be? I can't say for certain it's the continuation of the old movies because that's just insane. It wasn't even attempting to be a good representation of the comic superman, it doesn't seriously function as the start of superboy's story since the kid hardly does anything or have a personality... and that's what the movie is, very hollow and lifeless stuck in the shadow of its predecessor's looking up at them with seemingly no real plan in place for what to do next.
Why would that surprise you, it is the newest Superman movie and it made 200 mil at the BO. Everyone has seen the Reeve films, many who did not see SR in theatres will buy it on DVD.
Everyone has seen the Reeve films but many dont own them.
As for people not seeing SR in theatres buying it on DVD, that's one heck of an assumption to make.
SR was wretched. And if ANYONE thinks SR is a "major" draw for a box-set, remember there is a "Christopher Reeve Collection" with no HINT of Singerman Peeps. I wish I could have traded those 2 SR discs for ANY other movie in the store....
"Everyone has seen the Reeve films but many dont own them.
As for people not seeing SR in theatres buying it on DVD, that's one heck of an assumption to make."
Most people who enjoyed the CR Superman movies own the first 2 but not 3 and 4 because they were terrible. Neither of those are a selling point for the ultimate collection. Check out the major online sites like Amazon the CR collection is not selling. There is not enough in there for the price they want.
Well I know I had only Superman 1 and 2 before I bought the UC.
Now, I liked SR but the draw for me was the RDC and the Fleischer cartoons. I would have bought the set with or without SR and if it didn't have SR I would have bought the special edition of SR.
I dont know why people think SR is the biggest Draw. According to DVDFile & The Digital Bits. The video on the disc looks like crap.
From: DVDFile:
The film’s theatrical aspect ratio of 2.35:1 is presented in an anamorphic video transfer that does not live up to Warner Home Video’s finest and looks more like an aficionado release. As the opening credits based on the design of the 1978 production rolled with the John William’s Superman theme as underscore, I immediately noticed halos and mosquito noise around the words. During the film, the mosquito noise settles down, but the halos remain. The overall impression is soft. Small object detail and finely grained textures simply aren’t as good as found on Warner’s better DVDs. The film is 154 minutes long, and the supplements have all been banished to a second disc, so I’m at a loss to understand the under-performing transfer. Furthermore, the film was shot with the new Panavision Genesis 1080p24 High Definition Camera; Panavision and Sony developed it jointly as the next generation of digital cinema. Some slow motion sequences were shot by a high speed Super 35 camera, but I have no doubt that the film was digitized for CGI enhancement but not enough for 2006, they look cheap. So this should have been a direct digital transfer, all the more reason for my confusion over the results. Color accuracy based on flesh tones are mediocre. The video dynamic range is nicely represented with the exception that blacks should have been blacker. The black windowbox bars are darker and of a more neutral hue. The veredict: Mediocre DVD dont buy it, wait to watch it by HBO.
From: The Digital Bits:
The video quality of the anamorphic widescreen DVD release is below average, although it's clear that the film's length and complex imagery posed quite a challenge for Warner's compressionists. Contrast is not solid, if slightly lacking in the darkest areas of the image. There's generally decent detail but the CGI looks cheap, the film looks too soft pretty much the whole way through. Colors are also slightly more muted than I'd prefer. The darker blue-grays of the new New Krypton scenes are a particular problem for the compression, with visible artifacting and a lot of fine image detail lost....The smaller your display, the more forgiving you'll be. In general, it will look average for the mediocre eye.
I went to visit my sister today and my little nephew was watching SR on DVD. I sat and watched most of it with him and i did not see any of those things, it looked fine to me.
Eh, doesn't matter. Nobody cares about this shit movie so even if WB didn't give it the best treatment on dvd, what else is new...
"Eh, doesn't matter. Nobody cares about this shit movie so even if WB didn't give it the best treatment on dvd, what else is new..."
The movie made like 400 mil Worldwide why would you say nobody cares about it, that is a lot of money.
Because it sucks. X3 made more and nobody gives a crap about that shit movie, pal.
"Because it sucks. X3 made more and nobody gives a crap about that shit movie, pal."
So your personal opinion about it sucking means that nobody cared about the movie. I loved Batman Begins and SR made more than that movie.
So Batman Begins sucks because Superman Returns made more world wide? It had the nearly impossible challenge of winning back audiences after the disaster of batman and robin. It's lucky it made what it did. Returns couldn't have asked for a better chance to beat spider-man but WB, singer, Kumar, all fucked themselves over.
I just said i loved BB what the hell are you talking about? Spiderman made over 800 mil WW nobody thought that was going to happen not by a long shot. Expecting SR to beat that mark is flat out ridiculous.
SR should have more than it did but nobody knowing it was facing Pirates a week later thought it was going to overtake Spiderman.
In fact i remember reading the producers on Spiderman were hoping that it would make 200 mil, that movie went way went beyond anyones expectations.
Spider-man better than Superman? Are you doing drugs man?
It's superman, most popular, most powerful, best there is. But the movie was a hopelessly derivitive waste of people's cash and so they didn't care for it much. It's not pirates. The people wanted something fresher than the dark boring retread. That's all.
Oh with little piano chucking superboy.
Stop fucking looking for excuses and just open your eyes. This movie was shitty.
WB making lots of promises now aren't they.
Brainiac
More action
Give superboy more to do
That's their tactic, just keep a good poker face and act like they didn't just fuck up. We've seen it all before with other comic book movies that dissapointed.
It just shows how clueless they are about how far off the mark this "superman" movie was. Superman is based on Action comics, that's true, but it's never just been the action that made him the best. Bringing in brainiac? Oh how lovely. I can't wait to see- oh fuck, wait, give superboy more to do?
Business... that's all it ever is...
Apologists who hate this site I want to ask you something. It's just a measure of perspective relating to why someone would make such a blog.
If you have returns please watch it.
Count for me how many referrences/direct quotes there are to STM. Then count how many there are to the comic book.
Make a list as well.
Now compare them quantitatively.
Once you are finished turn your computer off and never use the internet again.
This can also be done with referrences to Jesus Christ. It would usually be believed that when creating a superman movie it would be best to view the comic as the bible rather than the opposite. This was not the case with Superboy Begins.
Thank you for reading. I'm Ray Stanz and I hope you leared something useful from this comment. TTFN
Well, I don't know any instanced of dialogue except the "Get out, and Flying is still the safest way to travel" lines...And I know when Superman saves Kitty it's a direct reference to the first cover.
I'll have to watch it again when I get the time.
Oh please. Didn't notice any others, huh? "Kitty, what was it my father used to say?", "Get out?", "You know you really shouldn't smoke Ms. Lane". That's just from the mental scars inflicted on me by this trash.
"Spider-man better than Superman? Are you doing drugs man?
It's superman, most popular, most powerful, best there is. But the movie was a hopelessly derivitive waste of people's cash and so they didn't care for it much. It's not pirates. The people wanted something fresher than the dark boring retread. That's all."
I agree with you about Superman being the best but that does not mean he is the biggest BO draw. Superman 3 and 4 made only 59 and 15 mil repspectively. The original Superman when you factor in the inflation made something like 380 mil still short of Spiderman. Spiderman was a special situation it really was the right movie at the right time. I admit to plently of problems with SR but even it was perfect with it competing directly with Pirates no way it was going to make more than Spiderman, not a chance.
Is this blog going to discuss the biggest crime of the movie, Superman and Superboy KILLING? Or has it already?
Even after looking pass all the dullness and the rehashed parts, I can't get pass how Singer just does the unthinkable and has Superman and superboy kill. Having a child kill aside, Superman has a CODE against killing. I've never seen him kill a person and don't ever want to see him kill again. If you're thinking "but he killed doomsday" well doomsday was a rampaging beast, but not even then would supes just kill him until the end of their battle when he had no other choice. "It's him or me." And it ended up being both. It's interesting to note that he didn't die until he was sure doomsday was stopped. Wow. I wish that story was adapted to screen.
"I agree with you about Superman being the best but that does not mean he is the biggest BO draw. Superman 3 and 4 made only 59 and 15 mil repspectively. The original Superman when you factor in the inflation made something like 380 mil still short of Spiderman. Spiderman was a special situation it really was the right movie at the right time. I admit to plently of problems with SR but even it was perfect with it competing directly with Pirates no way it was going to make more than Spiderman, not a chance."
You say that in hindsight. Every apologist is saying now that singerman never had a chance. They're all just backpedalling in unison. Everyone who's followed the movie before release knows that's bullshit. No-one seriously expected superman to dissapoint, not even WB.
2 things number one when he lifted NK there is no way you are going to convince me that his intention was to kill Lex's thugs. Secondly in Lesters and Donners version of Superman 2 you are given every impression that Superman killed Zod. In the deleted scenes of both you see them being arrested but in the theatrical version you are led to believe they died.
Damnit I got an icecream headache! aaaarrrrhghhhh
"You say that in hindsight. Every apologist is saying now that singerman never had a chance. They're all just backpedalling in unison. Everyone who's followed the movie before release knows that's bullshit. No-one seriously expected superman to dissapoint, not even WB."
Should it have made say 300 mil sure but 400 mil no way not up against Pirates that was too much to expect.
" Secondly in Lesters and Donners version of Superman 2 you are given every impression that Superman killed Zod. In the deleted scenes of both you see them being arrested but in the theatrical version you are led to believe they died."
Donner wanted to leave no doubt they were dead because he had Superman destory the fortress after he and Lois left in his version.
Let's just ignore when he reverse time and the villains go back in the phantom zone since we're idiots.
Leters version he is correct you are led to believe they are dead. I thought the ending to the Donner cut was insanely dumb.
I know i have heard of Superman killing more than Doomsday in the comics. Who here is an expert has he never killed anyone but Doomsday in the comics?
"Didn't notice any others, huh? "Kitty, what was it my father used to say?", "Get out?", "You know you really shouldn't smoke Ms. Lane". That's just from the mental scars inflicted on me by this trash. "
I never said I didn't notice ass...I said I didn't know of more than the ones I stated, but that I would have to watch it again. I forgot about the smoking line. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Should it have made say 300 mil sure but 400 mil no way not up against Pirates that was too much to expect.
Stop with the Pirates excuses. SR was disappointing in it's opening run of 8-9 days before Pirates even came out.
The first Spider-man opened up a little over a week before Star Wars Ep II, and they both made a ton of cash, so having another big film open close to you is no excuse. It's not like people could only choose one or the other.
"Stop with the Pirates excuses. SR was disappointing in it's opening run of 8-9 days before Pirates even came out.
The first Spider-man opened up a little over a week before Star Wars Ep II,"
Episode 2 fucking sucked shit and it made far less than any of the 3. I am sure the SW fans were saying it is a disgrace that Spiderman outgrossed us, George Lucas is an idiot.
Let's be honest SR no doubt underperformed by only pulling in 200 mil. However once a film gets passed 250 mil you are really asking a lot to expect much more than that. BB did not make more than 250 and neither did any of the X-Men movies.
I love these idiots that say Superman is the best ever so he should have the biggest BO. Say's who a couple of fanboy comic reading clowns. since when do you guys speak for the movie going public as to which Superhero is the best?
I liked SR..Now Pirates did have an effect, but not the one that is constantly talked about. Pirates, at most, took about 20 million away domestically. If SR had another weekend without Pirates then it probably would have finished at about 220 million.
It would not have made 300 million even if Pirates was never competition.
"Episode 2 fucking sucked shit and it made far less than any of the 3. I am sure the SW fans were saying it is a disgrace that Spiderman outgrossed us, George Lucas is an idiot."
I was not thinking that about Spiderman but i was sure thinking Lucas is an idiot after i saw Episode 2.
Episode 2 was a good movie if you took out the fucking 45 minute love story in the middle. That killed the movie. Take that shit out and add some more Clone Wars stuff and that film makes a shitload more money.
"It would not have made 300 million even if Pirates was never competition."
I say more like 250 because it made 108 in it's first seven days before Pirates which was like 25 mil better than Batman Begins. Maybe 240 with a chance at 250 but like i said after 250 you are really asking a lot of a film.
"Episode 2 was a good movie if you took out the fucking 45 minute love story in the middle. That killed the movie. Take that shit out and add some more Clone Wars stuff and that film makes a shitload more money."
If Natalie Portman just took her clothes off and they had more action it might have beat Titanic.
Speaking of Box office bombs i bet the new Rocky open and closes in the same weekend.
"If Natalie Portman just took her clothes off and they had more action it might have beat Titanic."
I was hoping to see Natalie naked in the deleted scenes section of Episode 2, no dice though.
Episode 2 fucking sucked shit and it made far less than any of the 3. I am sure the SW fans were saying it is a disgrace that Spiderman outgrossed us, George Lucas is an idiot.
and yet it outgrossed Superman Returns even while it contended with Spider-man.
And whoever said SR wouldve made another $50 million if not for Pirates, you're out of your fucking mind. It took 7 days when it was all alone to break $100 million, no way that thing was pulling in another $50 million more than what it got.
Natalie Portman could shove Kate Bosworth up her vagina and not even know it. Talk about an "ultra thin"
hey-o!!!!
"It took 7 days when it was all alone to break $100 million, no way that thing was pulling in another $50 million more than what it got."
I don't know about 250 maybe 235 what X3 made. Only reason X3 made what it did is because Davinci Code sucked and was dissapointing at the BO.
"and yet it outgrossed Superman Returns even while it contended with Spider-man."
It is a fucking SW movie okay they are on a whole different level. So basically SR had to be on the SW, LOTR and Pirates level to be a hit, that is ridiculous.
WB's expectations for the film were way too high. The superhero genre is getting awfully played out. So many of the fanboys were baffled saying come on this is Superman. To many in the general public he is just another Superhero.
Yeah i love how some of these guys will tell you that Superman is so all powerful. What the fuck does that have to do with BO success. To many Superman is a fucking boyscout and they want their heroes darker like Batman.
Superman just another hero? Get the fuck off the internet.
Just more excuses from Apologists. You guys just keeps finding excuse after excuse after excuse now it's ridiculous. Where was all the talk of superman just being another hero before the movie was released? Where was the talk of superman not being the best there is? Where was the "just a boyscout, not as cool as batman" Where are the mindless assumptions about people wanting dark angsty bitches heros only back then? Superman in Returns actually was an angsty bitch more than the boyscout so Why the fuck is that being brought up as an excuse for its poor performance?
People are probably tired of angsty bitch superheros by now and really wanted to see a fun superman movie but instead got the angstiest one yet.
Stop looking for excuses. the movie was a mess and people weren't stupid enough to tell their buddies to go see it. That's the way it is guys.
"Superman just another hero? Get the fuck off the internet."
Typical comment from a clueless fucking fanboy. I don't give a fuck how perfect SR was it was never going to outgross Pirates. The power of a comic book superhero was not going to outdo the teeny bopper appeal of Pirates pure and simple. Stop waxing poetic about Batman Begins which if compared to SR also failed at the BO. Where was this undying love for Superman in 1987 when Superman 4 grossed 15 mil. Superman's appeal is not what we all thought it was. Think about it there was no reason for SR to not open huge, not one. It got really good reviews and was hyped to death by WB. You can say that people did not like it and word of mouth was not good but none of that explains it's opening. X3 opened like a monster and then because of bad word of mouth sank like a fucking stone. The positive buzz around SR was far greater than what X3 got and it failed to open as big. I am telling you the character itself is not that appealing to audiences anymore.
Basically SR was put in the really shitty position of be a huge smash or face the consequences. I personally think even if it hit 250 mil to a lesser degree it would have taken shit. I think most people wanted 300 mil at least out of this film.
"I am telling you the character itself is not that appealing to audiences anymore. "
This along with the fact that there wasn't any super fighting is the crux of the problem..However I think it's more because the general movie going public has been marvelized. If this movie were to have come out before Spiderman then I think it probably would have been bigger. The world is just to cynical to accept a boy scout Superhero. I love Superman, he is and always will be my number one comic book superhero, but it's more than Singer making a retread of the first film.
And regardless of what some of us would believe, the fact that Superman has a kid means nothing to the general audience. Hell, to them the darker costume probably annoyed them more.
Something else that SR had going against it. Nobody has defined a superhero as much as CR did with Superman. Everyone from this point on will be compared. No other comic book property has this problem.
You can do a Spiderman 4 without Tobey, a Batman without Bale, a wolverine without Jackman(eventually), but Superman, because of CR has to look and act a certain way. No other actor that has ever worn spandex is as revered as CR. It makes everyone look at BR and SR very critically.
Now I liked the film, but because of this problem they should have given us an entirely knew take. The film was so close to Superman 1 that it hurt it.
You apologists are full of such shit.
Reeve's a damn good superman but the general public knows his version crashed and burned in two shitty sequels, and now since some donner fanboy was given the job to do the next superman movie we're all stuck with another shitty sequel to those original films. WB of course being full of idiots thought they'd play it safe and just rehash an old movie and it BACKFIRED right the fuck up their own asses.
So please apologists do us superman comic fans a favore and shut the hell up.
"So please apologists do us superman comic fans a favore and shut the hell up."
Yeah your right the comic lovers excuse that Superman can beat up Spiderman so why didn't he beat him at the BO is much more rationale.
Oh and I forgot they threw superboy in for kicks. Giving superheros little kids is probably some bullshit thing they thought would be cute after seeing incredibles. damn dumbasses.
And you're here defending this shit. You probably work for WB. Tell me, what other superheros are you guys planning to fuck up?
Fanboys are amazing, so basically the world has come to an end because Superman has a kid. They are so fucking out of their minds that they actually think this kid will have the same powers as Superman and be in tights along side him.
No the fanboys saying that SR was so bad they like 3 and 4 better is insane. While we are at it Batman and Robin is so much better than Batman Begins.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. If you're going to do a remake, do it. Don't half ass it you lazy fuck singer.
YES Returns is a shitty sequel. It qualifies perfectly alongside 3 and 4 but the only difference is it was made about 20 or so years later. I gurantee that if this shit ball came out after 4 it'd have been about as much of a hit or less.
"YES Returns is a shitty sequel. It qualifies perfectly alongside 3 and 4 but the only difference is it was made about 20 or so years later. I gurantee that if this shit ball came out after 4 it'd have been about as much of a hit or less."
These people are just fanatic CR lovers. They were not going to accept anything that came out nomatter how good. Saying 3 and 4 is on par with Returns really shows that.
3 and 4 are not in any way on par with Returns, hell i am still getting the images of Superman on wires in outer space out of my head from Superman 4. SR was okay, not what i wanted but not terrible.
Superman The Movie
Superman 2 (lester Version)
Superman 2 (Donner Cut)
Superman Returns
Superman 3
Superman 4
Is where i would rate them personally.
Reeve's a damn good superman but the general public knows his version crashed and burned in two shitty sequels, and now since some donner fanboy was given the job to do the next superman movie we're all stuck with another shitty sequel to those original films. WB of course being full of idiots thought they'd play it safe and just rehash an old movie and it BACKFIRED right the fuck up their own asses. "
The General public when they think of CR think of 1 and 2...Not Superman 3 and 4. Yeah the superman films crashed and burned, but that doesn't mean that CR crashed and burned.
This is going to sound worse than I mean it to, but when Chris got hurt it brought his Superman back to the forefront. And when they were showing clips of Superman with regards to Chris it was always STM or S2.
I'll say this one more time..The general movie going public(ie. not fanboys) don't give a rats ass about the kid. All they want is to be entertained. SR just wasn't what the public was waiting for when they heard about a new Superman movie. They were thinking of Super fights, and they didn't get that.
Attack me personally all you like. What does that change? This piece of shit they put superman's name on still dissapointed, still is a shitty sequel they're trying to do spin control on all day and all night at WB, and Lex luthor still eats a dog.
Wow. You beat me, guy. I'm over-fucking-whelmed by your love for returns that I must be completely wrong and feel the need to go burn my comic collection so I can praise the all mighty Bryan Singer for delivering his stalker version of the character.
Actually... No.
"This piece of shit they put superman's name on still dissapointed, still is a shitty sequel they're trying to do spin control on all day and all night at WB, and Lex luthor still eats a dog. "
Must burn you up knowing that this piece of shit they put Superman's name is getting a sequel huh?
Wrath of Superboy
Hopefully the fourth Pirates movie will release in the summer of 2009 and SR II can once again face the wrath of Sparrow.
If the 4th Pirates movie is going to come out in 2009 then you can bet your mortgage that the WB will avoid that release date like the plague.
Funny before Dead Man’s Chest opened all the Supes/Singer fanboys were saying that the icon of Superman and the fact that this was the first Supes film in twenty years was going to be enough for it to take care of Captain Jack.
Just goes to show you that over opinioned fanboys are no match for teeny boppers and the general public.
"If the 4th Pirates movie is going to come out in 2009 then you can bet your mortgage that the WB will avoid that release date like the plague."
If they could do it all over again i bet SR would be coming out this Christmas. If you look at the history of the BO non-stop action movies like Pirates are usually golden in the summer time. Movies like SR and LOTR, Harry Potter that are a mixture of both action and story do better in the winter.
"Just goes to show you that over opinioned fanboys are no match for teeny boppers and the general public."
That is just it Pirates has no story but it had lots of action to satisfy the male crowd and the teen hearthrobs to reel in the girls.
YOU FUCKERS AT WB FAILED. STOP MAKING EXCUSES, READ THE DAMN COMIC, AND GET IT RIGHT.
"YOU FUCKERS AT WB FAILED. STOP MAKING EXCUSES, READ THE DAMN COMIC, AND GET IT RIGHT."
Considering the general movie goer knows nothing about comics i fail to see your point. If SR like Pirates was filled with non-stop action and teen hearthrobs it would have made insane money. Yet if it was not faithful to the comic you fanboys would have the same problems with it.
YES HOW STUPID OF THE PUBLIC TO WANT TO SEE A SUPERMAN MOVIE, NOT LOIS AND SUPERBOY ADVENTURES GUEST STARRING EX-BOYFRIEND POWER-GUY OR SOMETHING.
HEY NOLAN, YOU HEAR WHAT THESE APOLOGISTS ARE SAYING??? WTF MAN, SINCE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T CARE JUST MAKE A SEQUEL TO BURTON'S BATMAN. FUCK THE COMICS, MAN, JUST GO CRAZY!
Asshole nobody gives a fuck about the comics but Fanboys get your head out of your ASS.
Superman 2 pissed all over the comic and it made a ton of money.
"Superman 2 pissed all over the comic and it made a ton of money."
True how many powers did they invent in Superman 2 about 12.
SR was a pitiful attempt by Singer to turn Supes into some Christ figure/ Spidey character with girl problems at his core and it failed miserably.
In this regard the world doesn’t need a Superman when they already have a Spiderman.
I expected superman to cut his wrist during the movie. Actually most of the time I was thinking "this is just spider-man 2 but with lots of refs to stm" I can't believe they did that. So yeah you're right, we already have spiderman, Singer. Nice try... lol.
COMICS FOREVER!!!
To the idiot who said Rocky Balboa will "open and close the same weekend", you couldn't be more wrong. Apologist at work there. It will do very well, probably better than Singerman Peeps. And guess what? Made for a lot LESS money too.
Singer’s final version of Superman Returns seem like a weird hybrid between the Reeve Pre-Crisis character and the current Smallville version.
The only idea in the film that Singer came out with on his own was the Superkid.
And we ALL know how well-received that idea was, don't we?
Lets all not forget things for a good movie.
Plot-not a retread
Special effects-enhance the movie not make it.
Acting-Original and not wooden
Casting-make the character.
Dialog-good repeatable lines.
If you look at Superman returns, Superman 3, and Superman 4. They are all missing parts of the formula above. Look at some of the episodes of the adventures of superman or JLU and you will understand. Its not about just action, people do not like to see Icons strangled with issues and problems that are not cannon(comic, movies, or otherwise). If Peter Parker was struggling with being gay, or Batman acting more like the batman in Batman & robin people will not see the movie.
Superboy to the rescue!!!
*tosses Piano*
LOL fails at being cool.
It's a schitzo movie. Parts are so bad they seem like uwe boll directed them, and parts are good mostly because of the john williams music or whoever the other guy was who did it. Then it has a boring anti-climactic finish that farts all over the comics. What are we left to expect for part two? Hey supes, you might always be around but I won't be for your next adventure. Have fun with your kid though.
Well we got another one of those comic book movies that barely have anything in them relating to the comic book itself again. Yay for us...
Where to go from here?
Apologists, well I don't know what they're on but they don't see this vague sequel to a 30 year old movie as a problem... they'll give wb the incentive to shove more cash at singer and we'll get more of his jesus christ superman.
I've got nothing against religion, it's all good if nobody gets hurt... but I like my superman to be a superman. He's no green lantern, no wonderwoman, he's a home made American hero and singer doesn't care for that I guess. Hey, whatever then, go make your own superhero if you think you're above superman's comic source. One line about being the light to show the way doesn't mean he leaves lois with a kid and poses like jesus.
Could you have at least used the comic version isntead of the old movie version? Damn... what a lazy director.
What's keeping people even remotely interested in returns right now is curiosity and disbelief. Curiosity in where this story might head (restart, continue, whatever) Disbelief that the movie could be so flawed when even a novice director wouldn't have made as many errors as Singer.
And shock too. Shock in that this was determined to be the best route to revive the superman franchise AFTER batman revived his successfully with even more difficulty since its last bomb was only 9 years old. Really, it's so mind numbingly retarded to rehash the old donner movie that I don't know what to think... I never had anything against singer before this movie but now I seriously am thinking he's got some problems.
Out of all the ideas to bring back superman, this was the laziest, worst and most unnecessary. "Just do a sequel." :O That's the plan? "Yeah, just kinda do a requel thing. It'll make money because it has cgi stuff, don't worry... Oh and put in a kid. People love that incredibles movie so superkids are cool, right?"
INCORRRRRRRRRRRRREEECCCCCCCTTTTTT!!!!
What a bunch of brilliant geniuses... people have been dealing with requels from Disney for years and what's their idea? Requel! hhhaaa haaa haa...
It's just madening.
ALL THESE PERFECTLY FINE COMICS JUST SITTING AROUND COLLECTING DUST AND WHAT GETS DONE OR SHOULD i SAY REDONE?
STM. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my goddddd. It's been 30 years and we've come FULL circle...
This utterly stupid.
THANK you Nolan for not being a dumbass. Thank you Raimi for at least reading the comics and trying to be faithful. Thank you to any other director out there who plans to never do what singer's done to the American Icon.
That is all I have left to say. I'm done now with you Singerman. This has been a cathartic release and now I feel free of you. You suck. You shouldn't have been made and I hope to god you continue to dissapoint so WB wakes up and realizes those funny picture books might have some value...
The above post was great. But forgot to mention it was not a sequel but a psuedo-sequel. Picking and choosing which elements to use which makes as much sense as "Leia remembered her mom and Luke didnt because of .....ummm the force". Like or hate the movie you have to agree that was retarded. If not for Imax this movie only made like 165M. For a movie of this scope it is a BOMB. I love spiderman, but if Sam Rami screws up the character making him a stalker, responsibility abandoning christ figure I will string him up.
"To the idiot who said Rocky Balboa will "open and close the same weekend", you couldn't be more wrong. Apologist at work there. It will do very well, probably better than Singerman Peeps. And guess what? Made for a lot LESS money too."
Apologist at work what the fuck does Rocky Balboa have to do with SR jackass. Yeah they made it for only 24 all i am saying is it won't work. Rocky sees a computer version of himself beat the champ and then he wants to fight, yeah sounds like a great fucking SL for another Rocky. I was sitting in a packed theatre for Casino Royale last Saturday and people were moaning and groaning as they were playing the Rocky Balboa trailer. Unless it gets great reviews which is unlikely it will bomb big time.
Rocky will bomb boxing is a dead sport in the US. Look at Cinderella Man that was a great movie that was heavily promoted and it made 3 cents at the BO.
1 N Superman Returns Warner $12.95 - $12.95 1 $200.08 6.5%
2 1 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox $8.02 -21.8% $18.28 2 $195.33 9.4%
3 2 The Da Vinci Code Sony Pictures $7.90 -15.5% $28.30 3 $217.54 13.0%
4 N Clerks II Genius/Weinstein $5.93 - $5.93 1 $24.15 24.6%
Read it and weep haters Superman rentals are killing!!!
That is very good it is about 2.5 mil better than what X3 did in it's first week.
yes! the hate is strong in you! I can FEEL it!
"yes! the hate is strong in you! I can FEEL it!"
It is going to get killed by Pirates next week but you have to admit those are strong numbers for week 1. It is better than what MI3, Ice Age 2, Davinci Code and X3 made in their first week.
#1 Nobody likes "Rebirths" with "Vague History" what that really means is "Plot Holes" and "Bad Writing"
#2 Had Singer bothered to research the comics instead of copying Donner like a slacker who didnt study for his final exam, perhaps his film would have been great too.
#3 Whatever, your thoughts about the Spider-Man franchise, those films are damn near perfect. They do it how it was mean't to be done. FAITHFUL Character Driven Dramatic story WITH Super Villain? Check. Amazing Action? Check. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but it seems that if you wanted a superhero franchise as popular as Spiderman...maybe you shoulda took a page outta their play book instead of making a Lame Story about a Superman who cries, knocks up woman, and battles rock. Yes, I said...his biggest challenge was a ROCK. LAME.
Have you seen those toy commercials? "Superman with crystal smashing Action." Yeah...a kid is gonna beg for that action figure.
*Mr Rogers Voice* Now what have we learned today children? That if we want to make a superhero film widely accepted and hailed by the general public and critics alike that we shoulda more strictly follow THE SOURCE MATERIAL, EMBRACE THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARACTERS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY...GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY WANT. PERIOD.
This is all I have to say on the subject, although Im sure someone is gonna say Im completely wrong and that Superman has always been a boring story about a dude leaving his ex-girlfriend only to return and find her shacked up with a new guy and raising his bastard son.
SR wasnt a bad movie, it just wasnt a Superman Movie. It was Intergalactic Dawson's Creek. It woulda fit just dandy with the CW's new Fall Line up. Coming soon "Krypton's Creek"
*singing loudly* I dont wanna wait, for our lives to be over...
Blockbuster Canada has reported that Superman Returns is number one in rentals and sales.
Make of that what you will.
Superman Returns is number 1 in Rentals and sales in its first week out? Singer fanboys enjoy it while you can because when the dust settles next week, Supes numbers and sales are going to be easily smashed by Captain Jack as he sets more records.
Hell X 3 has sold better then SR in its first week.
"Hell X 3 has sold better then SR in its first week."
I have not seen the sales numbers yet but SR did better in rentals than X3 in it's first week, you have a source for that.
I’m confused which sold better in its first week SR or X3? BTW Disney issued a release a few hours ago on sales but there hasn’t been one by Warner for SR yet.
Walt Disney Pictures' Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest became the #1 DVD of the holiday season, selling nearly 5 million units on DVD in North America in its first day of release it was announced today by Bob Chapek, president of Buena Vista Worldwide Home Entertainment."
"Singer fanboys enjoy it while you can because when the dust settles next week, Supes numbers and sales are going to be easily smashed by Captain Jack as he sets more records. "
Well I think everybody was expecting that. This will be different then the theatrical release however. Pirates will still crush SR in money, but SR will still get sold because of the holiday season. Plus I think WB's just wants them to equal BB at this point.
Pirates is on a whole another level i am sure SSS will try and make that comparison in his next post but it is ridiculous. I am sure Pirates sales will have stomped all over everything including Spiderman.
BB first week in rentals was 11,360,000 compared to SR almost 13 million.
Spiderman and Pirates are at least on the same playing field and it will be interesting to see how they both do in the same season this coming summer.
Safe bet is both will do gangbusters, LOL maybe in 2009 Singerman can get another shot at Sparrow.
WW Pirates 2 is far bigger hit than either of the first 2 Spiderman films. Put in perspective just how huge Pirates was, even though i thought it sucked.
Summer 2006 is going to be huge for the box office!
You mean Summer 2007!!!! And yes, it's going to be ridiculously big.
dont know what those rentals numbers are supposed to prove? It was really the only major release last week so of course it's going to be #1. SR did better in it's first weekend at the domestic B.O. than Begins did and look where it wound up
Yeah it ended up only 5 mil back of BB domestic and 20 mil better than it Worldwide. Pirates will crush everything next week but SR will still do well in DVD rentals and sales. It is a different ballgame then the BO. In DVD even movies that flopped, to the tune of like 40 mil make good money on DVD, especially during the holidays.
Pirates is already crushing everything, it made $5 million in it's first day on shelves.
I dont get why the Apologists come here and flaunt the first week DVD numbers in our faces like they've "won" something. That's akin to talking smack about Singerman after it's first weekend in theaters. Let's talk about these numbers after Christmas.
"Pirates is already crushing everything, it made $5 million in it's first day on shelves."
Incorrect as always SSS Pirates sold 5 million DVD's in it's first day, which is even better. That movie is on a whole different level and while you may try to compare SR to Pirates as a means of demeaning it know this. SR was better in week one in DVD rentals than Batman Begins, Mi3, Davinci Code, Cars and X3, that is pretty impressive.
SSS is rarely right he devoted about 5 posts to his claim that SR would not hit 200 mil and then when it did he made every excuse in the book as to why he was wrong.
Incorrect as always SSS Pirates sold 5 million DVD's in it's first day, which is even better. That movie is on a whole different level and while you may try to compare SR to Pirates as a means of demeaning it know this. SR was better in week one in DVD rentals than Batman Begins, Mi3, Davinci Code, Cars and X3, that is pretty impressive.
Actually I was going off of an email I was sent from a press site, that had $5 million on it, but now that I've checked some of the sites around the web, you are correct it was 5 million units, which is even more impressive.
SSS is rarely right he devoted about 5 posts to his claim that SR would not hit 200 mil and then when it did he made every excuse in the book as to why he was wrong.
You know you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Considering this is a blog, nothing on here is a matter of right or wrong, you either agree or disagree. I thought I pretty clearly came out and admitted I didnt think it would hit the $200 million mark, and was surprised when it did. I dont think anyone here could've predicted those IMAX figures. I dont see how that qualifies as "every excuse in the book" unless you're one of the 2 or 3 Singer drones who's made it their agenda to somehow try and invalidate everything I do here, but yet keep coming back day after day.
People from Singers camp actually come here?
"People from Singers camp actually come here?"
Only in SSS's mind they do, whatever makes you feel more important big guy.
"SR was better in week one in DVD rentals than Batman Begins, Mi3, Davinci Code, Cars and X3, that is pretty impressive."
You mean it did all that without I-Max 3D. Wow because according to SSS and the haters that is really the only reason it made money.
I'm not surprised. It's not like it's some no-name hero. Brand name recognition is of course a factor and it's one of those movies that's worth a rental. Owning it to watch it more than once is another story... replay value is just very low.
And to the apologist pissing on my Rocky Balboa, fuck you.
Holy action heros, Sam Raimi wants to do Doc Savage.
someone please explain to me what the rental figures for the first week of a movie are supposed to indicate? Are those numbers good? Yeah. Are they great or anywhere even near what Pirates is going to be? Fuck no. Does this scenario sound at all familiar to any of you?
Are the apologists that desperate for any piece of even semi-positive news that they have to tout an opening week rental stanza as proof of this film's success? Even after they've been spouting for months how it doesnt matter how much a film makes blah blah blah...
Only in SSS's mind they do, whatever makes you feel more important big guy.
put words in my mouth much? Unfortunately people dont have to actually work for Singer to be his "drones." Welcome to the world of internet fanboyism, which I'm sure your familiar with although with the way the 2 of them are here constantly you'd think they were on his payroll.
And FYI I know people from WB have seen this blog as I've gotten correspondence to that effect, although that's not what I was implying in my previous post nor is it something to brag about considering they visit just about every Superman related site on the web.
Well if you are going to call us apologists singer drones then the haters are nothing more than Drones themselves. They've been going to as many sites as possible to trash the movie. So it works both ways.
No, it doesn't. YOU people make it your "mission" to APOLOGIZE i.e. "Defend" this shit-fest everywhere you can. It is pathetic that you try as hard as you can to "prove" this turd was a success, unable to see that you have already FAILED.
Just like Singerman.
Yes it is..Because I've been to the other sites where you idiots start up forum after forum about how bad it is. And how there isn't going to be a sequel, and how the kid is an abomination.
I liked the movie a lot..And the only site that I go to to keep defending the thing on a daily basis is this one.
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