Friday, August 17, 2007

Now Where Have We Heard This Before???

Remember back a couple months ago when we told you that Warner Bros. was fast-tracking a Justice League of America film that would either take the place of or delay a possible Singerman sequel? And certain "Pro-Singer websites" then ran around screaming "All is well!"? Well it appears one of those sites, IESB, is starting to see the light, now that the train is right on top of them. Better late than never I guess.

Take it for what it's worth, well because it's IESB, but their "sources" who don't have the best track record on these things are now finally acknowledging that the proposed Justice League of America film is now more of a reality than they first thought. The self-serving carnage is below.
"When the news broke that JLA (Justice League of America) was moving forward with a script written by Kiernan and Michele Mulroney, speculations began that the follow-up to Superman Returns, The Man of Steel, would be delayed or even completely scrapped.

WB studio sources quickly said that was just mere speculation and The Man of Steel was still planned for a first quarter 2008 start date. Even recently, Brandon Routh told us the same thing during a quick red carpet interview at the premiere for Transformers."

I think Routh would've said anything at that point to get a way from you. He didn't exactly look comfortable with you dropping the "F bomb" in front of him repeatedly.
"At the same time, we are hearing some execs over WB were not happy with the way Superman Returns performed regardless of the $390 million plus worldwide box office take and that’s why Justice League is being pushed through the studio at a record pace."
At the same time? We've been hearing that for almost a year. Where have you guys been?

"The JLA script has been received with open arms by Warners and the goal is for the film to be the launching point for The Flash, Wonder Woman, The Green Lantern and Aquaman as well as rejuvenate Superman.

When do the powers-that-be want to start production on Justice League? Apparently, as soon as the first quarter of 2008, that’s right, WB sources have informed the IESB that execs behind the Justice League of America want it to be in production as early as February/March 2008 to be ready for a summer of 2009 release."

Now would these be the same sources who just a month ago said any talk of a delay in a Singerman sequel was "horse shit?"
"Some questions arise. What will happen to The Man of Steel film that Bryan Singer has already signed on to do?"
I'll give you 3 guesses.
"Would Warner Brothers be willing to lose the money they would have to pay to Singer regardless if he directs the film or not? Will Christian Bale and Brandon Routh reprise their roles as Batman and Superman?

Some rumors indicate that studio execs have considered recasting Superman and a few names have popped up. But the honest truth is that the studio just does not know at this time whether Routh will return or not. We’ll just have to wait and see."
It wouldn't be the first time WB has lost money on a pay or play deal with a director on a Superman movie. Something tells me based on their past experiences with Tim Burton, Bret Ratner, Michael Bay, and McG that WB covered themselves a bit more when they negotiated with Singer.

As for Routh returning: sorry Brandon, you seem like a nice guy, but you bare the mark of the beast, the scarlet letter "S" of Singerman, and with you comes all the continuity and issues of Singer's film. Even if you completely ignore the events of Singerman, the general public will identify you with it, and that could condemn this movie. Your performance, while not a huge issue in the film, was nothing that a hundred other actors off the streets of L.A. couldn't have done.
"I want to be very clear about this, I want to see a JLA film very badly and I am pretty certain that George Miller will direct. The problem that I have is I can’t foresee the Nolan camp, including producer Charles Roven, to lose the third stand-alone Batman film by allowing Bale to JLA instead. Maybe Warners should bring a few of the Batman/TDK producers on board the JLA production to keep that camp happy."
The concept of something like the JLA is pretty much absurd in the gritty, realistic world that Nolan and Co. have created in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. That was the whole reason they took on the project in the first place. I can't see them wanting to have anything to do with a JLA film. Honestly, if I can only have Bale as Batman 3 times, I'd rather see a Batman film trilogy.

"I have to wonder if they are willing to pay the huge amount of money to Bale to keep him for possible future JLA and Batman films. I definitely think he’s worth it but it’s not my checkbook.

Routh’s price tag is no where near Bale’s and I’d bet he’d be willing to do possible future JLA and Superman films."

Routh would most likely wash your car at this point if you were going to give him $10 to do it. The "next big star" burned out before he ever had a chance to shine.

"Finally, what about Singer’s The Man of Steel? At this stage in the game, yes, it appears that the Man of Steel will be pushed back to accommodate Justice League.

Does that mean that Singer is out and the sequel to Superman Returns scrapped? Not likely.

As I mentioned earlier, Bryan Singer has already signed on to do The Man of Steel and his team is reportedly already working on the film. I find it hard to believe that the studio would be willing to lose the money that will have to be paid to Singer if they decide to drop the project. I just can’t see that happening."

Yes, you keep saying these things but yet the evidence keeps mounting against it. You said a lot of things were "reportedly happening" that weren't. And what's riskier for WB? Coughing up a couple million max to pay off Singer for good? Or missing the mark by $100 million again on another Singerman film?
"It would be a mistake on Warner Bros. part to recast Superman, Brandon did a fine job and under Miller’s direction he could do great, besides I hear that Warner Bros. really dug Bryan Singer’s take for the sequel and Michael Dougherty is already working on the new script."
I knew I could count on you guys to get that one little last barb of unabashed fanboyism in there so you dont have to completely eat crow. Of course, you heard WB "really dug" Singer's take on a sequel and that they're working on a script. I wouldn't have expected any less.

128 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am just curious SSS. Since you say you are a Superman fan first. Is this what you really want? I know i want a reboot for Superman and my fear is that this JL movie especially getting fast tracked will fail and then bye bye Superman for a long time. I know i don't want anymore Singer Superman but this i am not sure is a good idea for WB. Just seems like they are putting all their eggs in one basket here. Is it a better option than a SR sequel? Yes without a doubt. Is it the best option for WB at this point? I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

"Is it the best option for WB at this point? I don't think so."

So you keep saying. Perhaps if you saw the script that Warners are thrilled about might settle your fears, otherwise stop banging on and on about it.

If it keeps Singer out it's a good thing.

Can't wait to see how Younis spins this news, if he bothers to report it at all. I'm sure he'll have to, but no doubt it'll come with his "insiders" telling him that Singer "is still on track"....YAWN

Anonymous said...

"So you keep saying. Perhaps if you saw the script that Warners are thrilled about might settle your fears, otherwise stop banging on and on about it."

The script is not hard to figure out. If they are doing this it will be a lot like Transformers was done lots of eye candy and great action. There is not going to be loads of time to have plot and character depth in a JL movie with so many characters at hand. I see this movie if it is a hit it is just what TF is. A fun and entertaining popcorn type of film. However i still would rather WB take a wait and see approach ultimately giving us a Superman reboot and do a few other DC characters in their own movies before this.

Anonymous said...

"WB sources have informed the IESB that execs behind the Justice League of America want it to be in production as early as February/March 2008 to be ready for a summer of 2009 release."

Let me clarify this, it's start after production finishes on Smallville.

Make of that what you will.....

Anonymous said...

"However i still would rather WB take a wait and see approach....."

We know already, you keep on saying. Talk about a broken record.

When you have something different or new to add because you've told us ad infinitum what you'd prefer.

"The script is not hard to figure out"

Here we again. As if you'd have a clue what it's about. If it was based on a comic strip you'd be happy.............

ApologistPuncher said...

Actually, the guy is 1 step removed from being an Apologist. He wants it HIS WAY or NO WAY. Isn't it the Apologist douchebags who spout off about how Singerman had "character development" and "drama"??

Have we seen a modern take of Superman with balls to the wall LIVE ACTION yet? NO. So if it takes a "popcorn action flick" to launch a DECENT franchise, consider my ticket BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.

This guy is going to keep whining, especially since he "thought" SSS was on his "side". Sorry kid, we want A.B.S.

ApologistPuncher said...

Oh yeah:

Hear that? It's the sound of 12 BS Apologist wailing in unison. Guess who's leading the pack? Why REtard of course!

I TOLD you Apologist bitches! Fuck off for good!

Anonymous said...

"So if it takes a "popcorn action flick" to launch a DECENT franchise, consider my ticket BOUGHT AND PAID FOR."

Yep, sounds to me the perfect antidote for the dreary Returns!

That fuckwit will only be happy if they copy some comic book.

To the apologists, google Tom Welling Superman for images....loks good and you better get used to it.

Anonymous said...

"Within a few weeks, George Miller should be confirmed as the director and casting should commence immediately......Bottom line, Justice League of America will start shooting early 2008."

Music to my ears!!

"Some rumors indicate that studio execs have considered recasting Superman and a few names have popped up."

What great news!

Anonymous said...

"Of course, you heard WB "really dug" Singer's take on a sequel and that they're working on a script."

LOL, yeah they must've heard that from Noel Neill or Eva Marie Saint.

Crazy ol' broads

Honestly, the apologist line is getting pretty desperate now.

swright said...

"Let me clarify this, it's start after production finishes on Smallville."

Yeah, Smallville usually ends production by mid April, but they started a few weeks earlier this year.

Still, why haven't they announced that they are going to go with Welling then? I would love it if they did, I was upset when they didn't cast him all those years ago for McG's version.

Here's something else...If Smallville is going to get an 8th season and they use TW, they will obviously film his scenes during his hiatus and they can use the series finale as a launching point with TW as Superman. I would definitely go for that.

Anonymous said...

Singer is a FAG and Superman Returns was gay.

colors said...

"Here's something else...If Smallville is going to get an 8th season and they use TW, they will obviously film his scenes during his hiatus and they can use the series finale as a launching point with TW as Superman. I would definitely go for that."

Amen, you and me both.

In my mind, there's no reason to do a JLA film in place of Singerman 2 unless they intend on recasting Routh. The easiest way to set up JLA as a new continuity for Superman is to hire Welling for the part.

Like AP said, if a popcorn action movie is what it takes to get good Superman franchise, my ticket is bought and paid for. Twice.

Anonymous said...

Just curious about something. If this becomes official what becomes of this blog? Maybe SSS should turn it into a pro JLA type of BLOG. I mean if Singer officially gets the boot there really is nothing left to say about it.

Anonymous said...

To say about Singerman i mean.

Anonymous said...

"Still, why haven't they announced that they are going to go with Welling then?"

Still down to Miller to sign off on Welling.

Anonymous said...

"Still down to Miller to sign off on Welling."

Because it is unlikely Welling is going to do it or that they even want him.

Anonymous said...

I can tell you -- despite some misconceptions in the internet buzz -- that there *is* indeed "active" interest by many parties in getting Mr. Welling attached to the "Justice League" project. And no, I'm not talking about those who control his "day job."

If it will happen or not, I cannot say...

What I *can* tell you is that whomever takes the directing reigns of "JL" will indeed have final say on just who will fill the red & blues.

It's unlikely, though not impossible, that the previous wearer will be involved...

colors said...

"I can tell you that there *is* indeed "active" interest by many parties in getting Mr. Welling attached to the "Justice League" project. And no, I'm not talking about those who control his "day job."
---
Who all's interested? And have you got a source?

Restart is conspicuously absent, I see...

Anonymous said...

Man can't a guy go on vacation. I thought to myself that if WB goes with JL they can just roll Singer in for it. That would kick some ass. Being in the industry i know things like this take time to flush out which way they want to go. Within the next few months WB will make a decision and we should back them 100%. Bale and Routh in one movie would rock, but I still think it will be................

Man of Steel in 2009!

rEstart

Singer will bring it to which ever movie he directs.

Anonymous said...

L M A O!

Singer doing JL??????????????

You Sir, are truly rEtarded!

Anonymous said...

"That would kick some ass"ReTard

No, no it wouldn't.

It's all about over for Singer, ReTard.

"Being in the industry i know things like this....."

Working at Blockbuster doesn't make you an insider, you fuckwit.

You're record of predictions have been totally wrong all down the line, and you're becoming even more irrelevant. Fuck off until you can add anything serious you joke

Anonymous said...

"Man of Steel in 2009!

rEstart

Singer will bring it to which ever movie he directs."

Someone's getting desperate ... again? How many times do you wanna repeat your lies and wishes before you finally see the light!?

---> Singerman is dead! For good! <---

Live with it and move the fuck on with your live!

The only thing you "own" is yourself everytime you post silly garbage like that!

Anonymous said...

Don't worry, that's just Restart. He's a fuckin spastic. Nobody takes him seriously. He's a spastic

ApologistPuncher said...

Anyone else notice the contradiction in certain Apologists LIES? How they are "100% certain" that WB is going with Singerman Returns From Brokeback Mountain, then CHANGES to "if they go with JLA, they should use BS"?? Yeah, this is someone whose "word" means less than their claims of being hetero.

Oh, and by "vacation", I believe they mean ONLY posting at BlueNuts for a while. You know, to escape REALITY.....

ApologistPuncher said...

"I want to be very clear about this, I want to see a JLA film very badly and I am pretty certain that George Miller will direct."

I just wanted to reiterate this part for the morons in attendance. Even an Apologist ass-kissing site like IESB sees the "light".

Oh, and THIS says A LOT about their TRUE feelings of how BS handled Singerman:

"Brandon did a fine job and under Miller’s direction he could do great"

COULD? You mean, BS couldn't get a "great" performance out of him? Gee, wonder what THAT means......

Sepharih said...

First off, this is incredible news!!! In the same week that I find out that a remake of “Escape From New York” is getting directed by Len “Underworld” Wiseman, and “Enter the Dragon” is also being remade, I find out Singerman is all but officially over. I almost don’t even care how terrible the former two items are going to be now.
I wanted to comment on something though.

“ Is it a better option than a SR sequel? Yes without a doubt. Is it the best option for WB at this point? I don't think so.”

Here’s the thing. Sad as it is...a reboot of Superman was never on the table. It just wasn’t going to happen. The WB couldn’t possibly start a completely new Superman franchise only two or three years after a sequel to the previous one. That’s just not a good move from a marketing standpoint if nothing else. There were people who, going into the theater, still thought Batman Begins was a prequel to the Burton franchise...and some still do. Now try and tell them that this new Superman movie is a completely separate thing from that boring Superman Returns movie and you’ve got a big mess on your hands.
At this point, yes, the Justice League movie is by far the best move in concerns to Superman. As I’ve said before, the beauty of it is that even though it doesn’t have to be in continuity with Singerman it doesn’t have to contradict it either. No one on the league has to mention that Supes disappeared for 5 years, and it can easily dodge the issue of Jason and Richard. Most, or all, of the interaction would be within the league itself. Thus we get a new movie with Superman, only without the baggage from the last film. And who knows, maybe a few years after this franchise is over we’ll see a restart. It may even become the launching pad for the Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc. franchises as well. I agree that it’d be cool to see their movies first...but this may still be the best option right now.

ApologistPuncher said...

As I’ve said before, the beauty of it is that even though it doesn’t have to be in continuity with Singerman it doesn’t have to contradict it either. No one on the league has to mention that Supes disappeared for 5 years, and it can easily dodge the issue of Jason and Richard. Most, or all, of the interaction would be within the league itself. Thus we get a new movie with Superman, only without the baggage from the last film."

I'm sorry, but this film HAS to "contradict" Singerman Peeps.

The film is meant to be a "starting point" for a WW, Flash, GL AND a brand-new Superman franchise. If they even ATTEMPT to "bridge" this with Singerman, or make it "vague", then I for one will not be there, and I'm sure MANY others won't be either. Classic costume, a MAN in the suit, and most of all, a HEROIC Superman is what we DESERVE.

The only way Brandon "My Career Went" Routh gets the job, is if EVERYONE they offer it to turns it down. Chances of that happening? About the same as an Apologist spouting a brain-cell. Translation? Ain't happenin'.....

S.S.S. said...

I am just curious SSS. Since you say you are a Superman fan first. Is this what you really want? I know i want a reboot for Superman and my fear is that this JL movie especially getting fast tracked will fail and then bye bye Superman for a long time.

To be honest, no, a JLA film wasnt my first choice. I wanted to see Superman updated for a new generation with an origin and post-crisis storylines. However if this is what we have to get in order to kill Singer's debacle I'm all for it. It may not be the perfect scenario I envisioned, but if this film does well with a Superman that has no relationship to anything that Singer & Co cooked up, then perhaps we do get a series of solo films in the same vein somewhere down the line.

S.S.S. said...

Just curious about something. If this becomes official what becomes of this blog? Maybe SSS should turn it into a pro JLA type of BLOG. I mean if Singer officially gets the boot there really is nothing left to say about it.

Once Singer goes bye bye, this blog will probably go away. We will do all the "post game" reports of the situation so we'll probably still be around for a couple weeks after an announcement is made. But once the desired goal of the blog is achieved, I dont see any reason to stick around, at least not in the current manor.

The idea of a JLA movie intrigues me. I'm really hoping to get a more big time director than Miller, someone like a Wolfgang Peterson who has worked with a film of this scale before. Although sometimes it is better to get someone with a bit less of an ego who will let the source material work for them and not feel the need to put their own HUGE stamp on it.

Of course, I'll be watching the production like a hawk and if I feel there's some injustices being done, I wouldnt rule out starting a new blog to try to keep them in line. "Miller's Man of Steel Mopes?" Who knows?

Sepharih said...

"Classic costume, a MAN in the suit, and most of all, a HEROIC Superman is what we DESERVE."

Preaching to the choir dude. That's exactly what I'm hopping for. I'm not saying they should attempt to "bridge" this with Singerman...quite the opposite. I'm saying that they should recast Routh, shift the focus onto the League itself (with Supes of course), and then never mention the events of Singerman ever again.
There would be no direct statement of "This has absolutely nothing to do with Singerman" which would only confuse the general public, but they just never mention the events of the film again. It would basically just be like pretending it had never actually happend, alot like the new Hulk film.

Anonymous said...

"I wouldnt rule out starting a new blog to try to keep them in line. "Miller's Man of Steel Mopes?" Who knows?"

May be necessary as I'm sure Younis will sell out(for peanuts)yet again.

That guy really respects the members of his site. Pathetic

Anonymous said...

...that's the beauty of geeks like Younis running fan sites. They're so starstruck they're easily bought.

Look at his cracker friend, Neal Bailey. That hack thinks he's funny writing "reviews" which tear Smallville to shreds and his fans/sheep fall all over themselves to agree with him and pronounce their hatred for all things Smallville and their undying love for all things Singer......

How would you shut him/them up? Give the hack a job writing for a Smallville magazine. Check.

Anonymous said...

A reboot/restart of Superman is perfectly do-able and reasonable IN SPITE of Singerman and his awful contribution. Paramount came right behind Star Trek The Motion Picture with The Wrath Of Khan, completely wiping the slate clean and pretending the first film never happened.
Regarding the JLA film, Myself, I want the JLA film to be a serious take, just as I had hoped for Superman (Big Loss there), and one that we DID get with Batman.
I can see Bale's Batman fitting in a JLA story if handled right.
The key here is film context and continuity.
Marvel for the most part with it's film franchises, has given all their characters serious treatment in films, even the bad ones..In doing so, it leaves the door wide open for these various super heroes to be able to mesh believably in a group film, or diverse pairings..

Warner needs to take a lesson here. (Which makes it all the more crucial they divorce themselves from Singer's Superman continuity with a restart.)
If Warner will maintain a reasonable serious treatment to these various DC Super heroes, it makes it all the more feasible to write creative situations that throw them together without causing the audience "believability" issues.
Superman and Batman are perfect examples right now. By nature Batman is the dark hero, and Superman isn't. But they both exist within the same continuity of the DC Universe in the comic books, and therefore the writers can creatively come up with a believable reason to throw these two together for a World's Finest type tale.
Singer has made that situation utterly impossible on film with the "Donner" universe he's reborn Superman into.
That particular continuity, with it's silly plots and schemes, ...quirkiness.(Remember, in Singerland, Luthor is this "Realtor" Genius that would supplant valuable property with landscape comprised of worthless jutting rock and stone.) That Universe, with the stalker Superman who has no personality, just won't jibe with the stark reality of Nolan/Bale's Batman.
No one would buy a "World's Finest" team-up of Superman and Batman in film, much less in a JLA movie. On film, these characters ALL have to receive a mature, serious treatment for them to ever successfully intermingle in a group film, or pairing. The audience won't buy it otherwise. It's ludicrous to expect them to.
It's in this area Warner famously and historically hasn't understood the super hero genre, and how it translates to film. It's costs them dearly at the box office to NOT understand just that simple, basic concept.
Marvel films DO understand the concept. Even the quirky Fantastic Four can guest star in a Spiderman film, or vice versa..
Not true of Superman and Batman.

So it's going to be interesting to see if Warner is even aware of this little problem, and how they address it..
If they in fact DO understand just how serious a problem Singer has created for them, I see no out for them except to boot Singer off the Franchise and restart Superman in a more profitable direction.
If the rejuvenation has to come through the JLA, so be it. But they've definitely got to get someone else to play Supes, and put the guy in a REAL Superman costume.
Routh is forever connected to Singerman and it just won't fly.
Younis's name shouldn't even come into the discussion. He's a sellout and phony.

Anonymous said...

Wow, one of the best posts ever

Anonymous said...

I have to say I agree with most of the above, except for Younis and his "cracker friend" Neal Bailey.
These pinheads keep promoting this horseshit because they're shills and sellouts.
RE: "...that's the beauty of geeks like Younis running fan sites. They're so starstruck they're easily bought. Look at his cracker friend, Neal Bailey. That hack thinks he's funny writing "reviews" which tear Smallville to shreds How would you shut him/them up? Give the hack a job writing for a Smallville magazine. Check."

THAT is a dead on assessment of Neal Bailey.
Bailey is a full on crapfest of hypocrisy and compromise. A hack. A true wannabe in every sense of the word with no scruples.
Creatively delusional. He would sell out at anytime to anyone, and clings to Younis like the flunky he is.
These guys are fakes,part of the problem, not the solution. They should be exposed at every turn.

ApologistPuncher said...
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ApologistPuncher said...

Don't forget, they are IRRELEVANT when it comes to the Superman movie franchises as well. Just corporate lap-dogs that bark when the master says "sic 'em!". SingerSuckerHomePage, BlueNuts and IESB are all the same. They sold-out their INTEGRITY for "exclusives" promised by WB, and in Younis and BlueNuts cases, "special favors" from BS.

What THEY are, I REALLY don't want to know...

colors said...

Everyone always talks smack about Superman homepage and those who use the forum so I checked it out.

It is *SCARY* over there. Some people see through Singerman (granted, for all the wrong reasons but they at least recognize something's rotten in Denmark) but... I had to see it for myself, but there are out there people who actually LOVE Singerman.

I... I... I'm at a loss for words. The things people say ("Routh is Superman for me", "Singer made the definitive Superman film") it's just mind-boggling.

Anonymous said...

I hope they end up using the Smallville continuity for this JL film, love the casting of Green Arrow, Impulse, Cybrog and Aquaman (Yes I know AC wasn’t the best actor but the guy embodies the part so well and if this film is anything like the Cartoon Network series its not like Aquaman is going to have much to do!)

Also I brought this up before but would WB even be allowed to use Wayne/Batman for this film?

Didn’t SV run into this same problem when they wanted Wayne last season but the studio that was splitting half the tab on the new Batman features wouldn’t allow them use of the character?

Anonymous said...

Routh is probably just hoping that they don't recast, he would probably pay them to let him be in it.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Also I brought this up before but would WB even be allowed to use Wayne/Batman for this film?"

Since WB is making the film, they can do what they want. Remember, WB OWNS DC Comics. The Smallville issue came from WB not wanting to "crossover" the character from the BB films. They don't give us, the "general public" enough credit to differentiate between two seperate entities.

Should they even HAVE Batman in it? Not so sure about that. Bale's Batman wouldn't fit, so maybe have MM fill that void?

Sepharih said...

“A reboot/restart of Superman is perfectly do-able and reasonable IN SPITE of Singerman and his awful contribution. Paramount came right behind Star Trek The Motion Picture with The Wrath Of Khan, completely wiping the slate clean and pretending the first film never happened.”

Ignoring the fact that the situations are completely different in almost every way possible, I’ll simply say that Wrath of Kahn was done in the 80’s and it’s a very different situation today.
I don’t really want to argue with you about it, and I’m not going to debate it further after this so just hear me out. Above me, AP stated that WB isn’t giving people enough credit to differentiate the two. Now as stupid as it may seem...there are a lot of stupid and/or simply uninformed people. Again, a lot of people are still wondering about whether or not Batman Begins and Casino Royal were prequels.
Try to look at this from the WB’s perspective. They just spent a ton of money betting on a new entry into a Superman franchise and got mediocre results. What assurances do they really have that a reboot of Superman would fare any better at this point? None, really. Would it be a huge hit? Would it make spidey sized numbers? I’d like to think so...but I doubt they have any data which suggests that. Justice League is the better move for them from a financial standpoint. There are to many risks involved with a Superman reboot right now.

As for the rest of your post, I kind of disagree with that as well. Now I’m not specifically against a “serious” take on Superman, but it almost seems like you’re asking for Superman to get the reality treatment that Batman got, and that’s something I cannot agree with. To me, Superman is as inherently goofy a concept as the idea of giant alien robots that turn into cars. Supes only works when he’s done in the context of larger than life myth ala the aforementioned Transformers, Star Wars (which was an inspiration for the original Superman movie), or any number of other Space Operas.
In fact, I regard this as one of the biggest misconceptions Singer had. He stated in an interview that he wants all the science in his films to have an actual real world context, or something to that effect, and the results were catastrophic. It’s the same problem with his characterization of Supes. Superman is a larger than life incarnation of the ideal and uncompromising mythical hero; like Hercules or Achilles. By definition, he’s not supposed to be physically possible, or psychologically plausible. Singer’s attempt to give him more flaws and believability turned him into an emotionally wrecked pussy wipped stalker. Simply put, realism isn’t the answer.
In truth, I think It would be easier for them to take Batman back to the dark gothic myth of the Tim Burton era then it would be to try and translate the rest of the DCU into the reality of the Begins universe.
Personally though, I’ve always thought of Batman as sort of existing in a world of his own in the context of the DCU and the Justice League anyway. Him seeming somewhat out of place actually makes sense to me...so bring on Christian Bale if you can.

ApologistPuncher said...

"It is *SCARY* over there. Some people see through Singerman (granted, for all the wrong reasons but they at least recognize something's rotten in Denmark) but... I had to see it for myself, but there are out there people who actually LOVE Singerman."

Actually, it is a bunch of brain-dead "sheep" who only agree with Younis. If he had NOT been a corporate shill, and said he hated it, they would hate it too.

And there are far fewer of them than it seems from looking at their posts. Just like HERE, they pretend to be more than one person, to make it seems like their numbers are "larger". The really SILLY one's are the shitheads saying: "It's just a rumor, so it's not going to happen". Yeah, because there has been nothing but CONCRETE EVIDENCE saying a Singerman sequel was coming, huh?

The same REtards probably jumped for joy when the EXACT SAME SITE "interviewed" Brandon "My Career Went" Routh, and he claimed a sequel was "happening". Apologists in action there. The site is "accurate" when it suits THEM, "bullshit" when it DOESN'T...

We WIN, Apologist twats!!

Anonymous said...

"It is *SCARY* over there. Some people see through Singerman (granted, for all the wrong reasons but they at least recognize somethings rotten in Denmark) but... I had to see it for myself, but there are out there people who actually LOVE Singerman."

Well, I think the Superman Homepage ceased being a Superman fan site a long time ago. It's more of a "GEEKSHOW CARNIVAL" built around Superman as its merchandising cash cow.
Anyone capable of coherent thought and can speak intelligently has long since abandoned the site.
I believe it gets a huge amount of visitors each day, but they're mostly comprised of kids who don't know any better, or genuine idiots who haven't figured out what Younis and Bailey are all about.

You CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time..

Younis uses Superman as a livelihood, and does whatever it takes to maintain his licensing/merchandising agreement with DC and Warner.He would green light Superman in a pink thong, fishnet stalkings, and tassels if that's what Warner was putting out via Singer.
Yeah, sometimes he gets involved in philanthropic events or drives, but that's to keep his image polished. It's good for sales. Even cigarette companies do that.
Neal Bailey is a hack. A wannabe in the worst possible way. He pulls off his "frustrated writer" shtick in his rants, hands out his card at comic cons, and pretends he's doing all he can to be a full fledged writer.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Neal is content to turn out his crummy, pseudo self published crap, keep his head up Younis's ass, and pretend he's famous.
If Neal was any kind of REAL talent, he wouldn't STILL be at the Superman Homepage.
He'd be a writer.
I mean Jesus, it's really sad when you think about these two guys. They're pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Pathetic is too nice a term for those two misleading, self serving fucks.

The voice of dissent does seem to be showing itself a little over there, only to be countered by the sheep as usual.

But it takes a real person of zero principals to pour shit all over Smallville, then write for it. But only for a fan magazine though......

Bailey is the fuckhead who ranted on about having no sympathy for children killed in Iraq. He famously declared that their parents should've had the sense to get out. That's a guy who "gets" Superman?

swright said...

When did this become the Supermanhomepagesucks blog?

Anonymous said...

"When did this become the Supermanhomepagesucks blog?" swright


...and as if by magic, look who turns up to defend their honor....a fuckin SHEEP apologist. You are pathetic.

It became "Supermanhomepagesucks" because, as stated earlier quoting Younis himself, he SOLD OUT FOR PEANUTS to back Singer and his failed vision of Superman over all else.

Do try to keep up fuckhead. If you actually read what people are writing here you wouldn't need to ask such an OBVIOUS question.

What do you expect from a SHEEP?

Oh, and I see "The Simpsons" film has now made $270 million......another good call apologist dickheads

ApologistPuncher said...

"When did this become the Supermanhomepagesucks blog?"

The best you got, kid? Nevermind the good news about Singerman being shit-canned. YOU focus on the comments regarding your "home", SingerSuckerHomePage?

Guess who ALSO just proved "himself" irrelevant? That's right, "swright". REtard's "brother" has found his way home...

Fuck off, Apologist scum!!

Anonymous said...

Oh God..Somebody call Warner Bros!!!
The Simpsons has already passed the 2oo Mil mark and then some!!

Well let's see, Superman Returns made number 8 on the All Time Box Office films that were SLOWEST to reach 200 Mil.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/slowest.htm?page=200&p=.htm

Maybe Warner should have talked with Matt Groening before they were tooled up for Superman Returns.

Just kidding of course. But if this isn't a pie in the face for Singer, I don't know what is.

Anonymous said...

Sepharih said...

I'm not talking about giving Superman the Batman "Gritty" treatment, but on the other hand, you're trying to fit Superman into a preconceived box of your own making. I hate it when people do that.
Everyone has their own vision of the character, and it doesn't mean yours is the right one no more than mine.
The difference is I'm not wearing blinders, and shutting down my own creative imagination.
Superman FOR YEARS has,in the comic books, been getting a far more serious treatment than he ever gets in film. (No matter how many times he's been rebooted.)
I don't consider Singer's film even close to a "serious treatment"of Superman.
It's ludicrous at best to suggest it, and even sillier that Singer could even possibly PRESUME to frame his film as having a serious take to it., and I'm being kind.
What Singer foisted off as serious drama was creepy drool of Superman exhibiting a serious stalker disorder. He was in one moment an infatuated sickie,spying in the dark, and then presented as a deity far removed from us puny mortals, impossible to relate to or understand.
What a load.

Clark is a country boy from Kansas.
To sound a familiar theme, Singer's Superman Sucks!

Superman can be done with a more intelligent, realistic approach, AND STILL be packed with action, awesome heroics, and the character STILL maintain larger than life status.
Jesus Christ why do people insist Superman has to be a silly cartoon character in live film, with idiotic story lines and plots, before it can be officially considered a Superman Movie???
It just ain't so!
And Warner had to do a lot of sweating over Returns and it's slow box office take to find that out.

And finally, all of my points in my earlier post contrasting the way Marvel Films has handled their characters to Warner Bros are valid, thank you very much.

ApologistPuncher said...

"And finally, all of my points in my earlier post contrasting the way Marvel Films has handled their characters to Warner Bros are valid, thank you very much."

If you count everything "Pre-Blade", WB still has a better track record than Marvel. The last 10 years are a different story though.

But then again, if you take the total number of "misses", like Blade: Trinity, X3, FF, FF2, Daredevil and Elektra, compared to WB with Batman & Robin, Catwoman and of course Singerman Peeps, WB DOES have less "stinkers". Of course, with the solitary exceptions of Batman Begins and 300, they don't have any other "winners", either....

Sepharih said...

“I'm not talking about giving Superman the Batman "Gritty" treatment, but on the other hand, you're trying to fit Superman into a preconceived box of your own making. I hate it when people do that.
Everyone has their own vision of the character, and it doesn't mean yours is the right one no more than mine.”
Certainly not, but the stories these “visions” produce have varying degrees of success. Sure...when you get right down to it that’s subjective in and of itself, but since we both agree that Singerman sucked I think it’s fair to say it’s a point we agree on. I find that the more mythic take on Superman produces better and/or more entertaining stories.

“The difference is I'm not wearing blinders, and shutting down my own creative imagination.
Superman FOR YEARS has,in the comic books, been getting a far more serious treatment than he ever gets in film. (No matter how many times he's been rebooted.)"
And if you’ll forgive me, I think the best Superman stories in those comics over the years have been anything but realistic. I would consider something like Kingdom Come a serious take on Superman...but not realistic. I would describe it, quite perfectly, as mythic. For that matter, one of the most critically acclaimed takes on Supes in years has been All Star Superman...although that books a little too surreal even for me.

“I don't consider Singer's film even close to a "serious treatment"of Superman.
It's ludicrous at best to suggest it, and even sillier that Singer could even possibly PRESUME to frame his film as having a serious take to it., and I'm being kind.
What Singer foisted off as serious drama was creepy drool of Superman exhibiting a serious stalker disorder. He was in one moment an infatuated sickie,spying in the dark, and then presented as a deity far removed from us puny mortals, impossible to relate to or understand.
What a load.”
I’ve more or less said the same of the last part many times actually. The thing is though; this is part of the problem of doing a realistic take on Superman. It doesn’t really work. Singer approached the story too seriously, and the result was a shitty movie which was caught in between and tried to be serious and/or dramatic when it should have been fun. Superman is contradictory to realism in his very existence. He’s meant to be ideal, to be the purification and personification of the America dream, with his only “flaw” being his hubris. Attempting to make him psychologically plausible requires a retooling of the character which can yield disaster.
As another example, you may check out Wolfgang Peterson’s “Troy” where he and Brad Pitt attempted a similar “realistic” treatment to the Iliad and its chief protagonist, Achilles. Both Singerman and Brad Pitt’s Achilles are everything that their respective characters simply should not be.

“Superman can be done with a more intelligent, realistic approach, AND STILL be packed with action, awesome heroics, and the character STILL maintain larger than life status.”
I disagree. Realism and Myth are contradictory in nature. You can get away with larger than life themes and characters in one, but it’s harder to swallow in the other. Superman, in my experience, tends to work best in the classic heroes journey structure.

“Jesus Christ why do people insist Superman has to be a silly cartoon character in live film, with idiotic story lines and plots, before it can be officially considered a Superman Movie???”
Because, again forgive me, he wears underwear on the outside of his pants...and because my favorite take on the character to this day is still the Bruce Timm animated series. I love the character, really, but I can’t say a realistic or overly serious take on Superman is a good idea. “The Empire Strikes” back is about as serious as I think you would want to get with the material.

“And finally, all of my points in my earlier post contrasting the way Marvel Films has handled their characters to Warner Bros are valid, thank you very much.”
Yeah, I’m not sure I quite got all those points. Question, do you consider Sam Raimi’s film a “serious” take on Spider-man?

Anonymous said...

"When did this become the Supermanhomepagesucks blog?"

That's swright on here.....

....this is swright on Superman Homepage.....

"Whatever Steve Younis says is correct. It's good to be told how to think. I'm a good, obedient little sheep, aren't I Steve? I tow the Younis line and believe all the spin and misinformation he dishes out" swright

Anonymous said...

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/08/20/breaking-ryan-reynolds-says-hes-up-for-justice-league-film/#respond

More JLA news

Anonymous said...

The studio quickly denied this, and it has been confirmed that scribes Mike Dougherty, Dan Harris and Director Bryan Singer have been working on a script follow-up to last year's Supes film.

i REST MY CASE.......

sUPES IN 2009!

rESTART

HAHAHAHAHHAA

Anonymous said...

You have no idea......and where have the studio denied JLA?? You just make stuff up to make YOU feel better. Sorry, the gayfest is over you fag

You are clutching at straws, loser

colors said...

"Bailey is the fuckhead who ranted on about having no sympathy for children killed in Iraq. He famously declared that their parents should've had the sense to get out."

When did he say that?

Anonymous said...

"I don't really know how much I'm allowed to talk about that stuff. But I'm sure they'll figure out something. It's no secret that they have a JLA script and it's a project that's in development – the contents of which, who knows. We'll see."

Ryan Reynolds

That is breaking news that HAS NOT been denied.

And now for our fuckwit poster ReTard....see the part where you tell us that Singer and his fag team "...have been working on a script"? That's all we know, nothing

Then look at the quote from Reynolds where he states "It's no secret that they have a JLA script and it's a project that's in development"

Get it fuckhead, they HAVE a script and it's in DEVELOPMENT. That is fuckin MILES ahead of any sequel to Returns. You might be interested to know that the sets in storage down under have been dumped....but being an "insider" I guess you would've known that

Typical, no fuckin idea

Anonymous said...

"When did he say that?"

About six months ago for a review of a season six episode of Smallville. That's about when I gave up on that site.

I'll see if I can find it. I'm betting that back then Bailey's review of the episode would've been negative.....

You know the mantra over there "Smallville Bad Superman Returns Good"

Anonymous said...

This was in his review of season 6 episode "Subterranean"......

"I lament when people stay in a country like Iraq and then have the audacity to complain when their children die in a war they know is coming" Neal Bailey

Talk about a fuckin redneck. I don't want to start a political debate because you can't imagine even Bush saying something like that! How dare people complain about their children being killed in a war!! What on earth does he think, Sadam the Dictator actually letting citizens defect?? Where would they go?? How would they survive if they did leave Iraq?? Good grief, how can someone think like that and proclaim to understand how Superman works?? No wonder he never liked Smallville until he got a job writing for it's fan mag.

To call his views "simplistic" would be unfair on simpletons

Anonymous said...

A couple of Bailey classics....

"This thinking thing is why I can't write for Smallville, no doubt. Well, that and the fact that my eviscerations likely ruined any chances long ago. Still, neat to fantasize sometimes."

....he means that and the fact that he's a crap writer.

"....she keeps her hood up for the whole encounter, adding a strange, almost Muslim context to their villainy"

...yep, redneck alright.

What a silly goose
Terminal

Anonymous said...

Talk about a missed opportunity considering what we got.....

Reporter Clark Kent visits the White House to interview the President who is revealed to the audience to be Lex. Clark & Lois investigate to find out that Lex intends to destabilise the world through "oil". Superman intervenes and is framed by Prez Luthor as an enemy of the human race. Superman not only has to save the world but turn the tables on Luthor....

That apparently was the idea behind a proposed big screen spin off from Smallville from Gough and Millar. I know hindsight is 20/20 but Singer must really put on a hell of a pitch! At least Warners seem a little wiser lately

Anonymous said...

By the way the quote was from Darkhorizons. I love out anon. guys just beat me down without even looking at the info. Now try hard with your brain. Superman and Batman are WB tentpoles! It says so in the article. So do you think WB will walk away from Superman? Answer is Nope meaning.....................

In 20009 Superman flies again.

Restart

Please find one article saying this project was cancel. Yeah I thought so. Who is the retard now?

Anonymous said...

Sepharih said...

"The thing is though; this is part of the problem of doing a realistic take on Superman. It doesn’t really work."

that IS A LOT of horse puckey, as is most of of your response.
It's becoming abundantly clear you're one of those people who has just generally shaped your opinions as rock solid reality, and can't or won't see or perceive of it any other way.
You don't hold the corner market as Judge and Jury on creativity and imagination, what works and doesn't, and you should be ashamed to think you do.
And for your information, Classic Mythology is steeped in realism in story form, comprising the full range of human experience. From tragedy to joy, sorrow and despair, to unbelievable heroics and triumph to absolute failure.
All contained within imaginative narrative of monsters, challenges, mighty feats of strength,..Super hero stuff.
Superman has NEVER been handled seriously in film media save in one instance.
The first season of The Adventures of Superman way back when, was a Mystery/Suspense film noir program, and it worked wonderfully.
George Reeves Superman (for the era) was a serious approach (albeit a low budget show), and he made for a Superman that was a no-nonsense, Man of Action when dealing with murderous gangsters. The villains killed people. The show was a huge success with adults and kids alike.
The theatrical film that inspired the show, SUPERMAN AND THE MOLEMEN, was a serious treatment to the character, (even with the furry dwarfs,)in the boundries of a low budget and cheap effects movie. (Coming full circle here), the movie was a huge success that led to the TV series.
Critics ALL agree the first season of The Adventures of Superman was and still is the best in the entire series.
(Yes, it was a cheaply made production, rushed scripts,etc. etc.Dated writing and all, that's not the point here.)
It was Whitney Ellsworth's idea in subsequent seasons to turn the show from mystery suspense into a light hearted kiddie show. He wanted to tie in more closely with the comic books, which at the time was strictly kindergarten, and light in theme and content. He even interchanged stories between the two mediums.
The show was already a success with it's hard edged realistic approach before he made the editorial change, garnering high ratings.
But Ellsworth wanted, for other commercial based reasons, to go in the kiddie show direction, and that's where he took it.
My analogy is your personal experience of what works or doesn't work with Superman means diddle.
For that matter it does with ANYONE claiming to know what works or not works. If primitive man had developed with that kind of attitude, the concept of a wheel would be forever unrealized, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Life is about possibilities.

The bottom line is as I stated before, you're insisting Superman has to be a silly cartoon character in live film, with idiotic story lines and plots, before it can be officially considered a Superman Movie.
I'm trying my best to not be insulting, but you're making it difficult.
Practically ALL Super heroes wear tights, costumes. And a good many of them do quite well in film being written with intelligent scripting and a more a realistic approach.
But you want to keep Superman in that "cartoony/Donner" type of approach. Deny it if you will, but your comments drip with it.

And Spiderman 2 was a helluva lot more of a realistic approach than Superman Returns any day of the week.
Marvel's track record in CONSISTENCY in handling its superheroes on film, good and BAD, is still better than Warner's.
Tim Burton's Batman was on shaky ground starting out, but subsequent films took the franchise downhill quickly. And Superman started tanking right after Superman2. The extreme silliness of the sequels is what killed the franchises the first go around.
My contrast with Marvel's handling of Super hero themed films isn't an examination of who has had the most string of successful films.
It centers on how consistent Marvel has delivered them all, good and bad, within a framework of continuity that makes it very easy, if they choose to do so, to pair heroes in a joint film without believability issues for the audience.
The silliness of Singer's imitation Donner Superman continuity is going to clash with just about any other DC character on film, unless Warner makes them equally as ridiculous.
Warner has been down the Joel Schumacher road before, they'd be wise to avoid it.
Discussing this topic with you is like speaking to someone who has miraculously been able to plug their ears and close their eyes, and has their thoughts looped in an endless pattern, unable to break free.
That kind of thinking is what delivered up Superman Returns.

Anonymous said...

"The show was already a success with it's hard edged realistic approach before he made the editorial change, garnering high ratings."

I sorta didn't phrase that right. What I was trying to say was that the show was garnering HIGH RATINGS BEFORE Whitney Ellsworth changed the format to kiddie fare.
Whitney thought it more profitable to just appeal to the kids, and forget about adult viewers.
Back then it was the KIDS that were buying the comic books and Superman merchandise.
Now the exact opposite is true. You see more adults than kids, in ages ranging from their twenties to forties, doing the comic book and Superman merchandise purchases.
I myself know a business Executive whose office is decorated with collectible Superman memorabilia.

Just correcting my statement to mean what I meant to say.

ApologistPuncher said...

I see all of the Apologists have "run for the hills" already. Fucking bitches have "seen the writing on the wall".

I mean, WHO with a fucking IQ higher than -2 would try to claim a Singerman sequel was STILL happening? They have to be a pretty fucked-up individual to try to ignore the 30-ton ELEPHANT in the room.

Was there EVER any doubt WE would have the LAST LAUGH over the Apologist dickheads??

ApologistPuncher said...

"The studio quickly denied this, and it has been confirmed that scribes Mike Dougherty, Dan Harris and Director Bryan Singer have been working on a script follow-up to last year's Supes film.

Now IESB.Net says that Kiernan and Michele Mulroney's script for the 'Justice' movie has been received and highly praised by the studio who want "the film to be the launching point for The Flash, Wonder Woman, The Green Lantern and Aquaman as well as rejuvenate Superman."

This is for EVERYONE to understand the TRUE meaning behind a certain salad-tossers post.

See, it was referencing PAST JLA rumors, and the "NOW" means CURRENTLY. Catch the part at the end about a "rejuvenated Superman"? Yeah, they OF COURSE don't want to acknowledge THAT.

See, even more proof of how Apologists try to "twist" facts into their own fucked-up grasp of "reality". These sad, pathetic nut-munchers think they are "fighting the good fight", when they are actually living in DENIAL.

Fuck off, Apologist ass-hairs. WE won....

Anonymous said...

Myself, I'm not claiming any "Victory" until word is officially handed down by Warner that Singer is history.
Hollywood is Hollywood, and it's better to know something for sure than to count your eggs before they hatch.
I mean, the article on the Justice League film and especially the "rejuvenating Superman" comment is encouraging as Hell. But there's a lot of wheeling and dealing that goes on within..Pitching and sometimes downright begging.
I just want to see the official statement out of Warner that Singer is off the Superman franchise before I'm ready to pop the cork.
And trust me, I want the guy GONE!

Sepharih said...

“that IS A LOT of horse puckey, as is most of of your response.
It's becoming abundantly clear you're one of those people who has just generally shaped your opinions as rock solid reality, and can't or won't see or perceive of it any other way.
You don't hold the corner market as Judge and Jury on creativity and imagination, what works and doesn't, and you should be ashamed to think you do.”
I hate using this phrase because it has a tendency to sound very pompous, but please, take your own advice. We’re just two Superman fans here, both of which hated Superman returns, discussing the direction that the new Superman franchise should take. You’re arguing for a more reality and/or serious approach. I’m arguing that that’s not the best idea. There’s no need to be condescending here.

“And for your information, Classic Mythology is steeped in realism in story form, comprising the full range of human experience. From tragedy to joy, sorrow and despair, to unbelievable heroics and triumph to absolute failure.
All contained within imaginative narrative of monsters, challenges, mighty feats of strength,..Super hero stuff.”
No. Realism is the concept of presenting art in the context of real life, and devoid of idealization or romanticizing. Classical mythology is, typically, the very opposite. It’s allegorical narrative. It is a story whose meaning transcends the literal one. These two things are in conflict with one another. Saying that classic mythology is steeped in realism in story form is as ridiculous as saying that the Bible is steeped in realism in story form.

“Superman has NEVER been handled seriously in film media save in one instance.
The first season of The Adventures of Superman way back when, was a Mystery/Suspense film noir program, and it worked wonderfully.”
...sure...if you say so. Do you really want Superman massively depowered and fighting gangsters and common thugs again? No thanks. I’ll take Brainiac and Darkseid any day of the week. Hell...I’d rather take Toyman for that matter.

“My analogy is your personal experience of what works or doesn't work with Superman means diddle.
For that matter it does with ANYONE claiming to know what works or not works. If primitive man had developed with that kind of attitude, the concept of a wheel would be forever unrealized, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Life is about possibilities.”
There are a countless number of things man has come up with in “concept”. What matters is experimentation. They’ve experimented with a realistic Superman and a mythic Superman. The mythic Superman produces more entertaining results in my experience.

“The bottom line is as I stated before, you're insisting Superman has to be a silly cartoon character in live film, with idiotic story lines and plots, before it can be officially considered a Superman Movie.
I'm trying my best to not be insulting, but you're making it difficult.
Practically ALL Super heroes wear tights, costumes. And a good many of them do quite well in film being written with intelligent scripting and a more a realistic approach.
But you want to keep Superman in that "cartoony/Donner" type of approach. Deny it if you will, but your comments drip with it.”
I said he wears underwear on the outside of his pants. He’s also an alien who look exactly like a human being and he can disguise himself to everyone, including the woman he loves, by putting on a pair of glasses. Those concepts, the last two at least, are inherently unrealistic. They stick out like a sore thumb in a film which takes itself seriously.
Let me bring up my comparison to Troy again, and compare it to another film, 300. There might be a historical basis for the Trojan war, but if there is it’s impossible to separate it from the myth in the Iliad. Though inspired by historical events, Frank Miller’s story is also anything but historical. His story romanticizes the battle of Thermopylae. Zack Snyder understood this and told the story in the form of a high fantasy and myth. Troy did the opposite. It attempted to present the Iliad in a historical context, and the film collapsed under the weight of it because the events of the Iliad are nonsensical in any kind of realistic context.
Superman is the same. Attempting to tell a Superman story realistically would be akin to telling Star Wars realistically. He’s a character of myth and fantasy.

“And Spiderman 2 was a helluva lot more of a realistic approach than Superman Returns any day of the week.”
So then, what exactly was the scientific and/or realistic context to explain why Spider-man was losing his powers? How about the AI in the arms which took over Doc Ock’s mind? How about any number of other implausible things which happened in the film? This is not the stuff of “realism”. It’s the stuff of fantasy and escapism. In actually, I regard the Spider-man films as far more silly and cheesy than Singerman was. The only difference is that Spider-man 2 was entertaining. Singerman was a dreary boring affair which, in addition to an endless amount of other things which can be criticized, took itself too seriously when it should have capitalized on its goofiness.

“Discussing this topic with you is like speaking to someone who has miraculously been able to plug their ears and close their eyes, and has their thoughts looped in an endless pattern, unable to break free.
That kind of thinking is what delivered up Superman Returns.”
Hah, you’re funny dude.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Myself, I'm not claiming any "Victory" until word is officially handed down by Warner that Singer is history.
Hollywood is Hollywood, and it's better to know something for sure than to count your eggs before they hatch.
I mean, the article on the Justice League film and especially the "rejuvenating Superman" comment is encouraging as Hell. But there's a lot of wheeling and dealing that goes on within..Pitching and sometimes downright begging.
I just want to see the official statement out of Warner that Singer is off the Superman franchise before I'm ready to pop the cork.
And trust me, I want the guy GONE!"

No, he's gone. It's all just a matter of WHEN they have George Miller "officially" signed. Once that happens, expect a "formal announcement".

Because he will be making other films for them down the line, they won't put out anything saying "We gave BS the axe. He had his opportunity, and he disappointed". They will "hype-up" the JLA film, and choose to let BS and Singerman fade like a distant memory.

Once more, with feeling: WE won, Apologist shit-stains!!

colors said...

This feeling of relief and gratitude is a lot like waking up after a terrible nightmare.

Still, we're not out of the woods yet. If Routh suits up for JLA, we're basically right back where we started. Really, once someone is announced to play Superman *then* we can cheer. Any suggestions?

Sepharih said...

I've actually been struggling for a long time to find an alternate choice for Superman...and I keep coming up short.

Finding a tall, dark haired, blue eyed, square jawed, well built Adonis in Hollywood isn't really the problem. The problem is finding all of that in a charismatic MAN, not an immature boy.
Hollywood likes to cast boys as men, and it really shows in movies like this. I'd like to say that an unknown is still the answer, only with a better casting director, but I'm not really sure that's an option at this point.

ApologistPuncher said...
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ApologistPuncher said...

"Still, we're not out of the woods yet. If Routh suits up for JLA, we're basically right back where we started. Really, once someone is announced to play Superman *then* we can cheer. Any suggestions?"

No, like I said before: The only way Brandon "My Career Went" Routh gets the part, is if EVERYONE they offer it to turns it down. THAT won't happen.

I think there are a few that could play him. There is Welling, of course. Or maybe someone like Michael Trucco, from Battlestar Galactica I think. He's got sort of a "superhero" look to him.

Whoever they choose, I'm 100% POSITIVE he will get more than a handful of "recycled" lines, and will be a MAN, not a BOY....

Anonymous said...

Sepharih said...

Look, this is getting out of hand. I think you're completely misunderstanding what I'm getting at when I use the term "realism".

And you're trying to put too much literalism in the things I try to use for analogy. Most folks don't tend to do that, know how to read between the lines and catch the "spirit" instead of the "letter of the law", so to speak,.
So let's just agree to disagree.

But I have say one thing, and please believe me when I say I've got a big smile on my face when I say this.
In reading your posts, your writing style, your phrasing, EVERYTHING, all seemed awfully familiar.

Then it hit me like a bolt of lightning. I know that style very well. I know WHO writes like that.

I just have to laugh, it's impossible not to.
Every thing's ok on this side fella, go your way, I'll go mine.

Sepharih said...

“I think there are a few that could play him. There is Welling, of course. Or maybe someone like Michael Trucco, from Battlestar Galactica I think. He's got sort of a "superhero" look to him.”

Yeah, I’ll take Welling over Routh any day of the week, but he has the same problem Routh does in that he looks too much like a boy to me. I’ve seen some damn good manips going around...but like you I really want a MAN wearing that cape.
As for that Michael Trucco guy, he certainly doesn’t look flat out terrible...but I'm not sure he's the right guy. I am, of course, being very picky...but that's just how I am. I’m gonna see if I can find a few Hires images and attempt a manip of him.

Anonymous said...

It shoudl be noted that neither Routh or Welling is a great actor, but Welling does have the face, body, and charisma that Superman should have, and Routh so badly lacks.

As for the new JLA movie, there exist a whole wharehouse full of tapes that could be used to cast the new Superman, it includes almsot every up and coming plus actors already "there" to cast from.

You have the names, as in Welling, Frasier, and Walker, to the well received and talented Bomer, Cavill, Baldoni, and Cassidy, plus names and faces we not even be aware of.

The awful era of Routh, hopefully is over, they could do so much better.

Anonymous said...

Welling is my number one choice as he's already identified as Clark Kent and looks the part.

If they decide to let McG direct JLA as rumoured Welling will get it. And hopefully Durance too!

As pointed out here earlier, it's no coincidence that shooting on JLA is to commence when Smallville wraps.....

Anonymous said...

"By the way the quote was from Darkhorizons." Retard

You are a fuckin liar.

If you think anyone is buying your CHILDISH attempts to hoodwink folk into thinking Returns is going ahead over the JLA movie you're more of a fuckin idiot than before

Disregard Retard, he's just a liar. None of his predictions have been correct so all he has left are lies.

voice_of_reason said...

well Welling's Clark would line up seemingly perfect with the age of Superman they're looking for. If not him I wouldnt mind seeing Henry Cavill get the role. He's a bit better of an actor although he doesnt have as good a look as TW

ApologistPuncher said...

"You are a fuckin liar.

If you think anyone is buying your CHILDISH attempts to hoodwink folk into thinking Returns is going ahead over the JLA movie you're more of a fuckin idiot than before

Disregard Retard, he's just a liar. None of his predictions have been correct so all he has left are lies."

Check one of my last few posts. I already "outed" his ruse. He used an OLD quote from Dark Horizons, leaving out the FULL context of said quote. Just a typical CHEAP Apologist tactic, one that is EASILY seen through.

Easier for ME to see through than it was for Singerman to peep on Lois Lame, and I don't even have X-RAY VISION....

Anonymous said...

ROUTH IS OUT!!!!!

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114&Itemid=99

Anonymous said...

Think "Grayson" the fan film re JLA.......

ApologistPuncher said...

"Think "Grayson" the fan film re JLA......."

Here we go with the Apologists "attempting" to go on the "attack". What a PATHETIC fucking attempt, junior.

I NEVER feared for a SECOND that Singerman would get a sequel. A turd is a turd, and WB isn't stupid. WE won, shit for brains!!!

Anonymous said...

Routh's out?? You mean they're intending to cast someone who resembles Superman this time???

What a brainwave.....and about fuckin time

Anonymous said...

"I NEVER feared for a SECOND that Singerman would get a sequel. A turd is a turd, and WB isn't stupid. WE won, shit for brains!!!"

No, I agree with you, but as for the structure of the JLA film, think "Grayson", the much admired "fan" film

Check it out, you'll be blown away

S.S.S. said...

damn you guys are fast. I just got offline with a few of the peeps who are posting this.

Anonymous said...

"damn you guys are fast."

You too! I spilled my drink when I read Routh was gone! I couldn't sit on that news


I guess Younis is composing himself before he posts the news!

sweet

ApologistPuncher said...

"Routh's out?? You mean they're intending to cast someone who resembles Superman this time???

What a brainwave.....and about fuckin time"

Not to toot my own horn, but I told you so....

I wish I could see the bitch-fit they are having at BlueNuts right about now. LOTS of "it's just a rumor, so it doesn't mean anything" and other forms of putting their fingers in their ears and repeating: "I don't hear you, I don't hear you".

They should hire Alex Ross to design the costumes. Someone with RESPECT for the characters, and won't try to put his "stamp" on the characters. And don't mention his Spiderman designs either. If you READ the script, you'll see it's what James Cameron WANTED.

I feel pretty much like Rocky Balboa right about now. All this time knocking Apologist bitches out, biding my time for THIS moment.

"I just want to say one thing to my wife who's hooommmee... YO Adrian, I did ittt!!!!....".

colors said...

"I NEVER feared for a SECOND that Singerman would get a sequel. A turd is a turd, and WB isn't stupid."

"Not to toot my own horn, but I told you so...."

You did indeed, sir. I heard you. I just didn't listen. Still, I've never been happier to be proven wrong! :)

Anonymous said...

"A turd is a turd, and WB isn't stupid."

Their not. This is the same studio that made Catwoman and replaced Burton so Schumacher could make campy Batman movies with costumes that have nipples. I'd say WB is plenty stupid.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Their not. This is the same studio that made Catwoman and replaced Burton so Schumacher could make campy Batman movies with costumes that have nipples. I'd say WB is plenty stupid."

Not when it comes to money. Don't know the difference between CREATIVE and FINANCIAL decisions? Because EVERYONE ELSE "got it"....

Anonymous said...

"Don't know the difference between CREATIVE and FINANCIAL decisions? Because EVERYONE ELSE "got it"...."

SR made WB money even SSS has posted this. It just comes down to WB feeling whether or not JL will make them more money than a SR sequel. Personally if JL is done right i think it will.

ApologistPuncher said...

Here's some KNOWLEDGE for you:

Batman Forever

Production Budget: $100 million

Domestic Total Gross: $184,031,112

Foreign: $152,500,000

Worldwide: $336,531,112

See that? THAT'S what made them give Schumacher "free reign" with B&R. Compare it to Singerman Peeps.

Notice the difference, Mrs. Apologist?

Anonymous said...

"See that? THAT'S what made them give Schumacher "free reign" with B&R. Compare it to Singerman Peeps.

Notice the difference, Mrs. Apologist?"

I am not a SR fan. It was OK not great. I am just saying you are wrong saying it's all about the finances because SR made WB about 50-60 mil according to various sources. I think a JL movie done right will make them a lot more than that. However if it tanks WB is in deep shit as far as making comic movies in the future. They better get it right is all i am saying. Their past history with creative decisions is awful poor compared to say Marvel.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah you want more knowledge.

Batman Returns budget 80 mil

BO Gross 266 mil

Based on those numbers WB never should have taken Burton off as director and put Schumacher on. Please tell me you are not a fan of that campy trash that was Batman Forever. Was it a hit yes but it was another example of a lousy creative call by WB that reared it's ugly head with Batman and Robin.

ApologistPuncher said...

"I am not a SR fan. It was OK not great. I am just saying you are wrong saying it's all about the finances because SR made WB about 50-60 mil according to various sources. I think a JL movie done right will make them a lot more than that. However if it tanks WB is in deep shit as far as making comic movies in the future. They better get it right is all i am saying. Their past history with creative decisions is awful poor compared to say Marvel."

Sorry, Apologist, their "profits" off of this TRAVESTY was NOWHERE NEAR that number. Since they have a "sliding scale" based system for SHARING ticket sales with the theater owners, and Legendary taking THEIR cut, do the math and you'll see how far off you are.

And are you forgetting about Elektra? How about Daredevil? Hulk? FF2? Spiderman 3? Blade: Trinity? Yeah, not so "spectacular" when you think about it.

NEITHER comic company has been very "careful" with their properties. Marvel just takes more chances with theirs. WB waits for some hack director to feign "respect" for one of their flagship characters, then let him "splooge" his own "vision" all over it, leaving a drab, sticky MESS.

Anonymous said...

"Sorry, Apologist, their "profits" off of this TRAVESTY was NOWHERE NEAR that number. Since they have a "sliding scale" based system for SHARING ticket sales with the theater owners, and Legendary taking THEIR cut, do the math and you'll see how far off you are."

Moron the film made almost 400 mil WW. With DVD, merchandise, TV rights just to name a few that is easily a billion dollars gross. You think WB did not a make a good profit on a billion dollars gross. Get the batteries checked on that calculator SON.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Based on those numbers WB never should have taken Burton off as director and put Schumacher on. Please tell me you are not a fan of that campy trash that was Batman Forever. Was it a hit yes but it was another example of a lousy creative call by WB that reared it's ugly head with Batman and Robin."

Do I REALLY have to tell you how to do MATH, junior? Batman Forever grossed $236 million dollars MORE than the budget. Batman Returns, around $180 million. Tell me again how it was a "bad" FINANCIAL DECISION again?? Let me save you the time, kid: IT WASN'T.

And don't come here playing those same old Apologist games. Just because I hit your ignorant ass with FACTS, doesn't mean I "liked" what was referenced. This is the REAL WORLD here. Go black to BlueNuts if you want a "protected" fantasy land.

Chalk up ANOTHER Apologist KO. It's hollow though, as I've already won the "title". Singerman will peep no more, so these are like "padding the stats"...

ApologistPuncher said...

"Moron the film made almost 400 mil WW. With DVD, merchandise, TV rights just to name a few that is easily a billion dollars gross. You think WB did not a make a good profit on a billion dollars gross. Get the batteries checked on that calculator SON."

Yep, this fuck-knob throws out "guesses" and "half-truths" and thinks HE has proven ANYTHING? God, it is TOO EASY with these fucking junior high salad-tosser.

Hey, kid: BS LOVES the "young meat". Since you are OBVIOUSLY no older than 12, you stand a GOOD chance of ending up face down in his pillow soon.

Good luck, you Apologist shithead!

Anonymous said...

"Yep, this fuck-knob throws out "guesses" and "half-truths" and thinks HE has proven ANYTHING? God, it is TOO EASY with these fucking junior high salad-tosser.

Hey, kid: BS LOVES the "young meat". Since you are OBVIOUSLY no older than 12, you stand a GOOD chance of ending up face down in his pillow soon.

Good luck, you Apologist shithead!"

Oh this is going to be fun we got a real winner on our hands here. How much did SR gross for WB altogether? I mean everything jackass put it all together and tell me what they grossed. Based on what you are saying i can tell you are clueless. Come on give me a number and try not to make an ass out of yourself.

ApologistPuncher said...

"Oh this is going to be fun we got a real winner on our hands here. How much did SR gross for WB altogether? I mean everything jackass put it all together and tell me what they grossed. Based on what you are saying i can tell you are clueless. Come on give me a number and try not to make an ass out of yourself."

Who the fuck do you think YOU are, piss-stain? Don't be coming here making demands of your SUPERIORS, junior.

You think you're going to get "points" from the other bitches at BlueNuts by coming here and getting your ass kicked? Because if "jackass" and "ass" are the BEST you have, get your pre-pubescent ass off the computer, little girl.

This boy is REALLY trying to "get in" with BS. I bet he's hoping BS tries to film some more young boys in the shower, so he can "parade" around for him. No lawsuits from him though, just a sore ass, and a mouth that smells like shit...

Anonymous said...

^^

LOL he gave me no number. Pathetic really pathetic. It is amazing when clowns like this refuse to get past their own personal bias. It clouds judgement. When you have come around maybe we'll talk again.

ApologistPuncher said...

"LOL he gave me no number. Pathetic really pathetic. It is amazing when clowns like this refuse to get past their own personal bias. It clouds judgement. When you have come around maybe we'll talk again."

Translation: I can't compete with your wit or intelligence. So I will claim a FALSE "victory", and pretend my "wiw feewings" aren't hurt.

See that? That was the "towel" being thrown in on this "lame duck". I can only imagine what a "stud" this douchebag MUST be at his junior high. He got a girl to look at him without VOMITTING once. Ran home and told his mom and everything!

What did she do? She vomitted...

Anonymous said...

"Translation: I can't compete with your wit or intelligence. So I will claim a FALSE "victory", and pretend my "wiw feewings" aren't hurt."

Still waiting for that number. I won't be baited by you with insults. I am have won this debate because you won't stick to the issue at hand. Now give ME A NUMBER!!!

Anonymous said...

I am waiting come on CLOWN the number what is it???

ApologistPuncher said...

"Still waiting for that number. I won't be baited by you with insults. I am have won this debate because you won't stick to the issue at hand. Now give ME A NUMBER!!!"

I think he might be the first kid EVER to have his mother ENCOURAGE his father to beat the shit out of him. I believe her words were: "He CAN'T look any WORSE".

"I am have won"? What the fuck is this?? If this is how YOU talk, let me give it a shot:

I am have fucked you up. You am no have "proven" anything. I am have smarter than you will EVER be. You am no have a brain, nut-muncher.

Anonymous said...

"I think he might be the first kid EVER to have his mother ENCOURAGE his father to beat the shit out of him. I believe her words were: "He CAN'T look any WORSE"."

Still waiting for that NUMBER. The more you insult me without sticking to the issue the worse you look. Now the NUMBER!!!

ApologistPuncher said...

"Still waiting for that NUMBER. The more you insult me without sticking to the issue the worse you look. Now the NUMBER!!!"

Do you think this kid will make BS use "lube", or will he take it "bareback" to prove how "tough" he is? I hear REtard made a special "saddle" for his FACE, maybe junior here can borrow it?

Leave it up to the Apologists to come HERE, and proclaim SOMEONE ELSE "looks bad". Spoken like a TRUE BlueNuts poster, thinking THIS is a "message board", and that EVERYONE has to post on the same subject. Did this asshole not see what topic HE is posting under?

Of course not, it's hard to see past the tersticles on his nose....

ApologistPuncher said...

Oops, let me put that in words you can understand:

You am no have interest in GIRLS. I am have once again bitch-slapped you into obscurity.

I hope everyone who reads these gets just as much of a kick as I did posting them. It really IS fun to smack the shit out of these idiots....

Anonymous said...

"You am no have interest in GIRLS. I am have once again bitch-slapped you into obscurity.

I hope everyone who reads these gets just as much of a kick as I did posting them. It really IS fun to smack the shit out of these idiots...."

The number clown the number.

Anonymous said...

I did not come here to get into a pissing contest with you. Until you get back to the topic at hand which is the amount you think SR grossed then this is all you are going to get. give me a number and we will continue this debate further.

ApologistPuncher said...

"I did not come here to get into a pissing contest with you. Until you get back to the topic at hand which is the amount you think SR grossed then this is all you are going to get. give me a number and we will continue this debate further."

What a SAD fuck this is. Does this dickhead think I am here to "debate" him? Jesus, these Apologists just keep making themselves seem MORE and MORE "intelligent" every day, don't they?

Fuck off, Apologist fecal debris!!

Anonymous said...

"What a SAD fuck this is. Does this dickhead think I am here to "debate" him? Jesus, these Apologists just keep making themselves seem MORE and MORE "intelligent" every day, don't they?

Fuck off, Apologist fecal debris!!"

We were having a debate until i asked you for your take on how much SR grossed and you refused to say, choosing to insult me with childish remarks. Again we can talk about this when you give me a number, i am still waiting.

ApologistPuncher said...

"We were having a debate until i asked you for your take on how much SR grossed and you refused to say, choosing to insult me with childish remarks. Again we can talk about this when you give me a number, i am still waiting."

Anyone need any MORE proof this jizz-gargler has NO life??

When BS tells you to "bite the pillow", remember to relax. Unless you LIKE pain, then clench up, shit for brains.

Fuck off, Apologist anal wart!

Anonymous said...

^^

Still waiting for that number clown.

ApologistPuncher said...

^^

Still waiting for that anal rape.

ApologistPuncher said...

Definition of IGNORANT:

-uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication; "an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature"; "an unlearned group incapable of understanding complex issues"; "exhibiting contempt for his unlettered companions"

-uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field; "she is ignorant of quantum mechanics"; "he is musically illiterate"

-unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"; "an unknowledgeable assistant"; "his rudeness was unwitting"

I know school is out for you junior, but your EDUCATION continues...

Anonymous said...

"Still waiting for that anal rape."

Still waiting for that number.

ApologistPuncher said...

And with THAT, I'm done wasting my time on a used douche. This fucking shit-wipe can't even get it thru his 12 year old skull that people who read this are LAUGHING at him.

Or maybe he does, and he's used to it? Who knows, and more importantly, who CARES?

We won, Apologist tea-bagee!! Singerman will peep NO MORE!!

Anonymous said...

"And with THAT, I'm done wasting my time on a used douche. This fucking shit-wipe can't even get it thru his 12 year old skull that people who read this are LAUGHING at him."

Still waiting for that number shithead.

Anonymous said...

You do know you look like an ADD reject, right?

Anonymous said...

"You do know you look like an ADD reject, right?"

Have you read through this? This guy went off topic about 10 posts ago and has done nothing but talk shit and make zero points. I wanted him to answer my question. Until he does i am not going to ask anything else because it is clear that he does not know and is just deflecting.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter your reasons. You being assinine and repeating yourself is lame.

Anonymous said...

"It doesn't matter your reasons. You being assinine and repeating yourself is lame."

Still have not read this huh. So me asking him for an answer is lame but him making rude sexual comments over and over as a means of not answering the quesion is what? Cool and justified. I stayed on topic he did not. If he has no answer he should have just said that and not been an immature jerk.

Anonymous said...

You are as lame as I thought. You do realize this is a BLOG and not a message board, right? And I do believe the BLOG posting you are commenting on is about the JLA film. SO, who's off topic again?

Anyway like AP I'm bored with your ignorance. You came here to stir shit up, and got your ass handed to you instead. Go back to bluetights, where idiocy is celebrated and intelligence is scorned.

Anonymous said...

"Anyway like AP I'm bored with your ignorance. You came here to stir shit up, and got your ass handed to you instead. Go back to bluetights, where idiocy is celebrated and intelligence is scorned."

Oh GEE who could have posted this??